Britain's Anti-Semitism

[Jim]

wasp said:

Palestinaian terrorists should stop firing rockets into Isreal on a daily basis which makes very few headlines with western media, but as soon as they take action then it's headline news.

When Israel releases the hundreds of Palestinian prisoners (some who have been in jail for decades), and abides by the UN's calls to remove themselves from Palestinian territory and stick with their own state, you can bet the rockets would stop.

[Wasp]

Jim that is nonesense and you know it. Most Arab states want no Isreali state and within these states there are extremists who don't need an excuse to attack Isreal.

[Jim]

How is it nonsense? You've been going on about other countries holding prisoners in terrible conditions but are turning a blind eye to Israel doing the same thing. Its Palestinian's firing these rockets, not Jordanians, Syrians or Iranians.

What most Arab states want is not what most Arab states are prepared to take. Most won't admit it to your face but behind closed doors they're quite prepared to let Israel be. They don't say so outright because its against very much against public opinion. Even the PLO eventually began looking for a two state solution as have Fatah and Hamas have warmed up to the idea. They're all in the end going to compromise and in the end Israel is going to have to do the same and come to a compromise. Stop ignoring the UN or leave it, leave occupied territories and release Palestinian and Lebonese prisoners.

The actions taken by Israel during their war with Lebanon is more than any militant rocket could do. Rockets are nothing to one of the worlds most powerful and well equipped armies. Israel has the capability of bringing every middle eastern nation to its knees if it needed too and some day its going to kick off. (Pakistan is not in the middle east so I am not including that country).

[Wasp]

wHEN DID i EVER SAY I turned a blind eye to the wrongs of Isreal???

[Blue Angel]

possibly the implication in some earlier posts that critique of israel automatically equals anti-semitisim could lead to this view.

[Jim]

wasp said:

wHEN DID i EVER SAY I turned a blind eye to the wrongs of Isreal???

Mate you dismissed my entire post as nonesense thats why. I brought up prisoners in Israel and it was just dismissed as nonesnese but you are quick to bring up the issue on other countries that arent pro-western and being fed from the arse of the bbc.

[Wasp]

jim said:

wasp said:

wHEN DID i EVER SAY I turned a blind eye to the wrongs of Isreal???

Mate you dismissed my entire post as nonesense thats why. I brought up prisoners in Israel and it was just dismissed as nonesnese but you are quick to bring up the issue on other countries that arent pro-western and being fed from the arse of the bbc.

No you said 'When Israel releases the hundreds of Palestinian prisoners (some who have been in jail for decades), and abides by the UN's calls to remove themselves from Palestinian territory and stick with their own state, you can bet the rockets would stop.'

I replied that it was nonesense to think these attacks would stop because of the hatred towards Isreal from neighbouring countries (some) and people within these countries. I don't believe I said the prisoner issue was completely nonsense, some of it is true and some is propaganda to blacken Isreal even more.

Could you show me where I said the prisoner thing was complete nonesense and I will readdress it.

[Jim]

I took for granted you meant my whole post. You didnt say anything to say otherwise.

[Wasp]

I have already said that Isreal has made big mistakes and I do not support these actions. I also sympathise with ordinary Palestinians who are caught in the middle, I felt sorry for the Lebaneze government but I support Isreal when it comes to the fact that they are attacked almost daily, when it comes to neighbouring countries attacking them, when it comes to other countries condemning them but ignoring other much worse countries. I always have and I always will.

[Jim]

Those ordinary Palestinians voted in vast numbers for Hamas Wasp. It wasnt accepted by the US, the EU or Israel, democracy was ignored because they voted for the wrong people, money that rightfully belongs to the Palestinian Authority was frozen by the Israeli government because the people didnt vote in who the big powers wanted them to vote for. Is that your idea of fairness?

Israel are going to be attacked on a daily basis when they're using Palestinians as human shields, when they're planting land mines across their borders, when they're firing cluster bombs into packed cities, when they're segregating communities, when they're occupying Palestinian territories, when they're occupying parts of Lebanon. What do you expect people to do? Turn the cheek?

[Wasp]

I have mixed reations to this, but hwether Isreal is right or wrong she will defend her land and her people. If they feel doing any of these things will stop attacks then they will do it no matter whether we agree with it or not. Isreal seized land after the six day war and rightly so. Some were strategic places which increased her defence.

What would have happened if Isreal had lost that war???

Occupation is a loose term that is used all to often inadequately and unfairly.

[Jim]

And rightly so? Israel has no right to any part of Lebannon. The people there dont want them and end up relying on Hezbollah to get them out, and believe it or not Hezbollah are not your typical "islamic terrorist" organisation, they're a fully functional army these days with thousands of members. The only reason they are is because Israel still hold onto land that isnt theirs.

Israel is the creator of most of its demons.

[earl]

wasp said:

Isreal seized land after the six day war and rightly so. Some were strategic places which increased her defence.

So if the ROI had siezed some stratigic positions in NI after the Dublin-Monaghan bombings in the interest of protection, you'd agree that they would have had every right to do so right?

[Wasp]

If we were still a threat, in the sameway I believe when terrorists crossed the border into the republic knowing they could walk freely the British security forces should have crossed the border in pursuit. At least this would let these cross border terrorists know that the republic is no safe haven for them.

[Jim]

So you would be supportive of the Republic of Ireland taking control of Derry or Fermanagh in the name of security if it meant it stopped paramilitary activity?

Or does it only work one way, where the British cross the border?