Britain's Anti-Semitism

[Wasp]

bearhunter said:

"Well what gets up my nose is the fact that there seems to be the British/Protestant = offensive and Irish/Catholic = victim arguement everytime."

Fair enough, WASP, but then you tend to post Irish/Catholic=offensive and British/Protestant= victim, so it all evens out, no?

NO, I have said many times about Catholics who suffered at the hands of terrorists from both sides, I have praised Catholics who joined the police and defended them from republican claims etc. Now when did I say Irish = offensive and Catholic = offensive or when did I suggest that? Please inform me so I can put it right.

If you had of said ira/republicans who supported them = offensive then I would totally agree.

[Jim]

Can you tell me, Wasp, why Irish republicans also fought against Franco and his catholic fascism in the Spanish civil war, that was backed up militarily by Fascist anti-semite italy?

Doesnt sound like an organisation of rabid anti semites to me.

The British Government was okay with the existance of Nazi germany untill it started to invade countries, the Soviet Union (another British ally in the war) even had a pact with Hitler over the territory of Poland and only went to war over wanting territory. But this all seems to be okay apparently because they won the war. Britain sent thousands of Jews out of its borders, The Soviet Union kept them in places like Sachenhausen along with Nazi soldiers, Henry McDonald hasnt a clue.

No ones refusing to make a point of anything, your refusing to listen, you'd rather listen to your half arsed academics because you agree with them.

[Wasp]

Yeh that would be my reasons.

[Jim]

Can you tell me, Wasp, why Irish republicans also fought against Franco and his catholic fascism in the Spanish civil war, that was backed up militarily by Fascist anti-semite italy?

[Wasp]

Do you mean someone like Frank Ryan?

Well nothing surprizes me about sinn fein/ira, one minute in the whitehouse, then N.Korea, then Cuba etc. SF-IRA were friends of the Nazis, the Soviets and the Islamists!

Then it is all the stuff about wanting peace and equality then there was R.McCartneys murder so it is hard to know what exactly republicans are up to. I think it very much depends on what way the wind is blowing.

But now the face they are wearing is the face of democracy and law and order. I sincerely hope they mean it, I hope they are genuine and that it will last but given their history then the odds are against it. But I could be very wrong and I hope I am 110% wrong. I just find it so hypocritical that they bleat on about this and that considering what they did during their campaign of violence in the recent troubles.

[Wasp]

Setanta you said

"LATELY I'VE SEEN A WHOLE LOAD OF STUFF FROM LOYALISTS TRYING TO PAINT IRELAND AS ANTI-SEMETIC.

I definately did not mean you saying the Jewish population rising means you are anti-semetic. Seriously how on earth did you get that?

You were referring to loyalists trying to PAINT Ireland etc, and when you paint it is usually a picture, so that is why I used the word picture referring ONLY to your comments on loyalists trying to PAINT Ireland etc.

And that is the truth.

[Jim]

wasp said:

Do you mean someone like Frank Ryan?

Well nothing surprizes me about sinn fein/ira, one minute in the whitehouse, then N.Korea, then Cuba etc. SF-IRA were friends of the Nazis, the Soviets and the Islamists!

Then it is all the stuff about wanting peace and equality then there was R.McCartneys murder so it is hard to know what exactly republicans are up to. I think it very much depends on what way the wind is blowing.

But now the face they are wearing is the face of democracy and law and order. I sincerely hope they mean it, I hope they are genuine and that it will last but given their history then the odds are against it. But I could be very wrong and I hope I am 110% wrong. I just find it so hypocritical that they bleat on about this and that considering what they did during their campaign of violence in the recent troubles.

You see thats where you take light facts and start to distort them.
No one was friends with fucking North Korea.
No one was friends with the Nazis, thats a unionist lie and it doesnt work.
Britain and the US where allowed to pick and chose when they were friends with the Soviets and with Islamists, so why cant the IRA?

You look at the soviet union, islamism, cuba, etc as if they're inheritantly wrong because your told they are wrong, because the west won the war and got to write history.

When was McCartney killed? For fuck sake Wasp we've been through that before.

If I where you, a present day unionist living in Northern Ireland , I'd be more concerned with my communities links with combat18 and the national front before whinging about what republicans done 60 years ago. think about that one.

[Wasp]

You see thats where you take light facts and start to distort them.
No one was friends with fucking North Korea.
No one was friends with the Nazis, thats a unionist lie and it doesnt work.
Britain and the US where allowed to pick and chose when they were friends with the Soviets and with Islamists, so why cant the IRA?

So republican news etc is lying. Adams and co had nothing to do with N.Korea? On a Unionist lie, again this is not from a Unionist in any shape or form. On so why can't the ira, well you republicans always say the difference between Britain and the ira is that the ira is not a state blah blah.

You look at the soviet union, islamism, cuba, etc as if they're inheritantly wrong because your told they are wrong, because the west won the war and got to write history.

You look at them as though they are right because you are told they are right.

When was McCartney killed? For fuck sake Wasp we've been through that before.

What does that matter?

If I where you, a present day unionist living in Northern Ireland , I'd be more concerned with my communities links with combat18 and the national front before whinging about what republicans done 60 years ago. think about that one.

It is not about what republicans done sixty years ago it is about what republicans do full stop. I think you could take a leaf out of that book advice when you talk about Unionists/British from 40 years ago and right back to partition etc.

On combat 18 they are disgusting and I and many like me have no time for them. On the BNP or the old NF, I know a few staunch supporters, one of whom is a Catholic and they are not the typical stereotype you would expect. Many a debate I have had with them and they have made a few valid points. But in general I have no time for such extremist groups.

BTW how many bombs and shootings did either of the above carry out??

[Jim]

Reread my post. I didnt mention having nothing to do. I said friends.

I dont see them as right or wrong I see them as they are. I'm told nothing I'm told to read into it for myself.

What doesnt it matter? We've been through it before it means nothing to this conversation.

So what are republicans, today, doing? I dont need to take a leaf out of any book mate the BNP are even actively recruiting from loyalist events, there are no fascist groups recruiting around the falls and you know it. You've dug yourself into a hole.

[blueman]

Well the hatred of Romans for the State of Israel is there for all to see. Ratz the Natz is a shining example of their hatred for Jews. The State of Israel complained about the bigoted reporting of the Irish Journalist Orla Guerlin. Unfortunately Ireland is a bigoted and hate-filled State which is Roman to the core and Anti-Protestant, Anti-British and Anti-Jew. Until the Irish people waken up and face realities they will never move on as a Nation. They are locked in a time-warp and until they get rid of the Romanist Powers that keep them in horrible slavery they will remain trapped in their One Religion, One Culture and One Political mindset. Take a bit of advice from an 'oul Blueman and Wise Up and Grow Up and get shot of the Foreign Power which has kept your country in horrible bondage for far too long.

[Wasp]

Reread my post. I didnt mention having nothing to do. I said friends.

Ok aquauntances.

I dont see them as right or wrong I see them as they are. I'm told nothing I'm told to read into it for myself.

As do I.

What doesnt it matter? We've been through it before it means nothing to this conversation.

Matters alot IMO.

So what are republicans, today, doing? I dont need to take a leaf out of any book mate the BNP are even actively recruiting from loyalist events, there are no fascist groups recruiting around the falls and you know it. You've dug yourself into a hole.

i WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT SO. yOU VOTE FOR A FACIST GROUP SO there is no need of further recruitment. BNP = Wankers, Sinn fein facists = Wankers

[Jim]

George bush is aquentences, when hes not putting sanctions on their people further starving them.

You really dont mate, honestly I've never seen you say anything that goes against the grain.

You dont even understand fascism, fascism is a right wing ideology and SF are very much to the left of the spectrum. Its like calling the american republican party socialists for christ sake.

[Wasp]

Acting like facists is good enough for me mate.

[Blue Angel]

so WASP all the people who voted for Sinn Fein in NI are potential fascists - any more wild generalisations we can sling around this morning people? I don't know what it is recently - before you managed to disagree strongly with republican or nationalist outlooksbut but without the recent tone of ranting and screaming that seems to have crept into your posts.

[Blue Angel]

here's a documentary that might be interesting for people to watch if they ever get the chance www.shalomireland.com/ as it presents a history showing the positive and negative aspects of irish jewish life over the years.