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Post by bluedog on Jul 30, 2007 19:36:26 GMT
Ah we are back on the good reverend doctor  ,well can I say this? The DUP have not sold out on the people, they have done exactly what they said they would do, and what the people elected them to do. They said they would not sit in government with SF until a number of criteria had been met, and that Criteria has been met. Decommissioning has taken place, and acceptance of the police force and it's bodies has been met. Unlike the UUP, who caved in at every turn, or the PUP who would have happily sat in government with SF many years ago, even when they were still running a terror campaign, they have actually had their criteria met. What exactly do the bleaters expect them to do in the face of that. Find another loop hole to squeeze through? Well I for one am sick and tired o that type of political shinanighans from both sides, and am happy that we now live in an era of relative peace. A wise man once said "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer still". Perhaps Ian and the boys have learnt a little pragmatism and humility in their new roles, and Northern Ireland as a political entity is all the better for it. So shut it for a while and stop bleating. I have played a role in the trade union movement all my life, and have learned through those years that we never get everything we want, and have learned to be accept what we could realistically get. Like I say Ian and the boys have learned a little pragmatism, and we are all the better for it. The blue rinse brigade have gone, thank the good lord for small mercies. The UUP who fell at the first hurdle, more times than a three legged horse in the Grand National, have gone. We kept putting them back into the race and they kept falling, and we couldn't understand why. Yeah Unionists are stupid!!!!!! The DUP have not, for many years, said they would never sit in government with SF. Big Ian's "never, never, never" slogan died a long time ago, or hadn't you noticed. His new slogan (At the last election, where they won) was, "We will not sit in government with SF until our demands are met". That has happened, now would the knockers please tell me where the sellout was? Or are they the type who would never "Have a Catholic about the place"? Because calling what the DUP has acheived a "sellout" smacks of that. Bilk I'm afraid you're suffering from Big Ian's amnesia.It was'nt many years ago as you say but remember last years 12th "over our dead bodies" speech ,then Dodds said no SF partnership for a political generation.They have done more u turns than enough.When decommissioning was supposedly witnessed by Harold Good Paisley would not accept it,he demanded a" credible witness" photographs,lists,Jeffrey wants arms dumped outside the City Hall for public scrutiny.They got NOTHING.Now the liars are telling us all was ok believe Mr Good they are a joke and the people know it.Its great when you question the scum that we have in Stormont you call us bleaters,I'd love to show ye some bleatin little Bilky boy. |
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Post by bluedog on Jul 30, 2007 19:56:26 GMT
When this site was set up I read many posts on how we can get Protestants and Unionists on to hear their views now when you hear them you dont like them,and threaten them with banning.Wise up.This is the way it is Setanta.Protestants/Loyalists detest Sinn Fein and your Free State believe me.They are totally suspicious of both parties motives.We consider your country sectarian ,few Protestants in your Police and army.Then you tell us all is ok there are Prod judges and three or four Prods in the GAA that other sectarian organisation.This is the unfortunate truth.We believe Michael McDowell and the stories in the Sunday Independent about anti semetism,we believe programmes like Irelands Nazis.We believe the stories of the RC churches treatment of children.What is it you dont want a Prod about the place do you think Bilks views represent loyalism?I can assure you they don't.I dont like your views ,I hate your party,but I listen to what you have to say hateful as it is.This is the way it is get used to it.
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Post by blueman on Jul 30, 2007 20:00:52 GMT
I think Bliks post on the DUP was excellent, in that its good to see there are unionists out there that believe we're going in the right direction. Not that I was starting to believe the two blues  Just another piece of evidence to back up the thread as Republicans are obviously on the same wavelength as the DUPERS and Bilky boy. I always knew it was only a matter of time before you would all unite. Sorry to spoil the party boys but the oul Blues Brothers will never accept the coalition formed by the DUPERS and the Nazis. That is why we are Blue and with the DUPERS now showing their true shade of dark green comes as no suprise to us as we have suspected that for a very long time, as they are DUPious to say the least. Paisley meeting the Archbishop is also enlighting as I remember how he castigated the Anglicans and Presbyterians for doing the same but now the Free P moderater, sorry Dictator, decides that the Romans are not too bad we all have to bow down and kiss ass. Well Paisley and his motely crew might kiss Roman ass for a few baubles of time and sense but the true and blue Protestants will not be so cheaply or easily bought. We still remember the Martyrs that they have butchered down through the years even though we didn't build a church pretending to immortalise their name. Funny the man who called the Romans all those names down through the years is strangely silent as he struts around Stormont with his new found buddies and theological friends. Well I suppose him and his spiritual partner Marty have plenty in common, they neither smoke or drink, and I suspect their Religion is also one and the same. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 30, 2007 21:39:06 GMT
It comforts me to know I'm on the same wavelength as the "DUPERS" then. Instead of constantly whinging about conflict then whinging about peace, I accept peace, I know what I believe in and I know what I stand for. It seems you arent very sure of what to do.
You blues brothers dont have to accept it, the state does, as in, the real ulster people, not the ulster people from your fantasy world.
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Post by bluedog on Jul 31, 2007 10:43:27 GMT
Yes Setanta its quite annoying when people call you a Nazi is'nt it.I live in the heart of Unionism so dont tell me what my own people believe please.I received a letter this morning from a Free Presbyterian minister along with a recent message he preached regarding the current state of affairs and he was not nice in his comments about Paisley.Get you're head out of the sand Setanta.If you cannot deal with the comments of the blues brothers petty help you when you hear from some of the others in my community.If we quote articles from your press why is this not acceptable.You dont like McDowell,I dont like O'Loan but you believe her report,I dont so what.To start taking posts of is a joke I refused to join Calton for that very reason and I thought I would get a fairer hearing here.I was wrong.
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 11:15:24 GMT
you do get a fair hearing - what you want is your wild genealisations which slide over into bigotry quite often to be treated as though they were fair comments which they are not. I am personally getting pretty pissed at been called a Nazi considering my fiancee has a Jewish background on her mother's side of the family but I am trying to put that to one side in my replies as neither of you two blues could have known that. The fact that I have sworn in this post should show regulars how annoyed I am though as I generally never swear in posts.
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Post by Bilk on Jul 31, 2007 11:41:20 GMT
Ok to get back on thread, the DUP said a lot of things, so too did SF and they had trouble with their own people too remember. Now lets come into the real world, the 21st century if you like. This is not 1916 nor is it 1690. Those of us with some sense have moved on from that, it took Pailey a little longer than most, but he eventually got here. You think the DUP did a u turn blue dog, he was faced with a UI by the back door or accepting what was on the table. And what was on the table, once SF accepted the PSNI and all it's bodies met almost every one of the demands made by the DUP. I don't call that a u turn, so instead of being rude to people and indulging in name calling, try telling me and the rest of us what excuse he would have for not sitting down wth SF in government. Find another loop hole, and let us all know what it is.
And btw I agree with Setanta, you are on your first warning for name calling, it is against the rules, an you know it. So I can only guess that this is a blatant attempt to get banned so you can go back to your friends in the heart of unionism and tell them what a great unionist you are
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 11:44:00 GMT
you get this on the republican side to bilk, the super-republican, for whom even talking to loyalists or unionists would be shameful. I have been called a west brit/mere nationalist etc. etc. for even attempting to talk with people like yourself. Or have been told 'unionists have no culture' as if saying stupidity like that will make it true if said enough times.
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Post by bluedog on Jul 31, 2007 15:38:53 GMT
Ok to get back on thread, the DUP said a lot of things, so too did SF and they had trouble with their own people too remember. Now lets come into the real world, the 21st century if you like. This is not 1916 nor is it 1690. Those of us with some sense have moved on from that, it took Pailey a little longer than most, but he eventually got here. You think the DUP did a u turn blue dog, he was faced with a UI by the back door or accepting what was on the table. And what was on the table, once SF accepted the PSNI and all it's bodies met almost every one of the demands made by the DUP. I don't call that a u turn, so instead of being rude to people and indulging in name calling, try telling me and the rest of us what excuse he would have for not sitting down wth SF in government. Find another loop hole, and let us all know what it is. And btw I agree with Setanta, you are on your first warning for name calling, it is against the rules, an you know it. So I can only guess that this is a blatant attempt to get banned so you can go back to your friends in the heart of unionism and tell them what a great unionist you are How do you know what Paisley was faced with,he has'nt told us what plan B was yet unless you would like to enlighten me.This is a statement based on heresay.The man lied to his own people,that is a fact, I'm not the only one saying it,but now his flock are ,his ministers are,and more significantly members of his party are.Time will tell who is telling the truth on this issue.Can I ask you have Sinn Fein assisted the PSNI in relation to the bank robbery,the McCartney murder ,are they helping the historical enquiry team in the investigation of the murders of 302 policemen and 750 plus soldiers,I think not.Can you give me concrete evidence that all the arms were handed in?No you can't.Paisley has achieved more wealth and fame for Big Ian but nothing for the ordinary five eight.I don't know of any of my neighbours earning £300,000 + a year and owning several houses.But I do know that it was my people who suffered greatly in this conflict,some giving their lives,many ending up in jail as lifers,and Paisley stirred as much strife as he could but suffered little,this is the truth.My people also know that Paisley with his dog collar around his neck lied to the people and did it in God's name.Long runs the fox.You talk of bleating well I never heard such bleating from you people over something so insignificant,come to my area and I will show you people who should be bleating due to the hardship they have endured for decades,sadly I don't think name calling gives them much concern. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 16:22:29 GMT
The question arms been handed in is once again a red herring. No-one could ever prove conclusively all arms had been handed whether it was the IRA, UDA or whichever group handing them in. What would you have us all do Bluedog go back to the spiral of madness of the last 30 years, the DUP and Sinn Fein had the largest electoral mandates, whether we like them as parties or not if we claim to be democratic at all we have to accept that I think. I will never be Paisley's biggest fan but if the unionist people voted for him them we have to accept that he got the lion's share of their vote and the reverse applies regarding Sinn Fein. We cannot just deal with the parties we like best. If you won't deal with SF when they have the largest share of the nationalist vote or we won't deal with the DUP when they have the largest share of the unionist vote would you care to guess the potential outcomes? I think they are fairly obvious.
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Post by Bilk on Jul 31, 2007 21:39:42 GMT
Ok to get back on thread, the DUP said a lot of things, so too did SF and they had trouble with their own people too remember. Now lets come into the real world, the 21st century if you like. This is not 1916 nor is it 1690. Those of us with some sense have moved on from that, it took Pailey a little longer than most, but he eventually got here. You think the DUP did a u turn blue dog, he was faced with a UI by the back door or accepting what was on the table. And what was on the table, once SF accepted the PSNI and all it's bodies met almost every one of the demands made by the DUP. I don't call that a u turn, so instead of being rude to people and indulging in name calling, try telling me and the rest of us what excuse he would have for not sitting down wth SF in government. Find another loop hole, and let us all know what it is. And btw I agree with Setanta, you are on your first warning for name calling, it is against the rules, an you know it. So I can only guess that this is a blatant attempt to get banned so you can go back to your friends in the heart of unionism and tell them what a great unionist you are How do you know what Paisley was faced with,he has'nt told us what plan B was yet unless you would like to enlighten me.This is a statement based on heresay.The man lied to his own people,that is a fact, I'm not the only one saying it,but now his flock are ,his ministers are,and more significantly members of his party are.Time will tell who is telling the truth on this issue.Can I ask you have Sinn Fein assisted the PSNI in relation to the bank robbery,the McCartney murder ,are they helping the historical enquiry team in the investigation of the murders of 302 policemen and 750 plus soldiers,I think not.Can you give me concrete evidence that all the arms were handed in?No you can't.Paisley has achieved more wealth and fame for Big Ian but nothing for the ordinary five eight.I don't know of any of my neighbours earning £300,000 + a year and owning several houses.But I do know that it was my people who suffered greatly in this conflict,some giving their lives,many ending up in jail as lifers,and Paisley stirred as much strife as he could but suffered little,this is the truth.My people also know that Paisley with his dog collar around his neck lied to the people and did it in God's name.Long runs the fox.You talk of bleating well I never heard such bleating from you people over something so insignificant,come to my area and I will show you people who should be bleating due to the hardship they have endured for decades,sadly I don't think name calling gives them much concern. Don't think you are aware of where I came from mate, but I think you might be surprised. The political leaders of those lifers and such you speak of, would have sat down with SF 10 years ago and did. Had they been elected there would have been no decomissioning on any side, they would be happily sitting in governmet too now. only that goverment would have a totally different make up. But SF would have been there in the same form they are now. |
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Post by bluedog on Jul 31, 2007 22:13:59 GMT
How do you know what Paisley was faced with,he has'nt told us what plan B was yet unless you would like to enlighten me.This is a statement based on heresay.The man lied to his own people,that is a fact, I'm not the only one saying it,but now his flock are ,his ministers are,and more significantly members of his party are.Time will tell who is telling the truth on this issue.Can I ask you have Sinn Fein assisted the PSNI in relation to the bank robbery,the McCartney murder ,are they helping the historical enquiry team in the investigation of the murders of 302 policemen and 750 plus soldiers,I think not.Can you give me concrete evidence that all the arms were handed in?No you can't.Paisley has achieved more wealth and fame for Big Ian but nothing for the ordinary five eight.I don't know of any of my neighbours earning £300,000 + a year and owning several houses.But I do know that it was my people who suffered greatly in this conflict,some giving their lives,many ending up in jail as lifers,and Paisley stirred as much strife as he could but suffered little,this is the truth.My people also know that Paisley with his dog collar around his neck lied to the people and did it in God's name.Long runs the fox.You talk of bleating well I never heard such bleating from you people over something so insignificant,come to my area and I will show you people who should be bleating due to the hardship they have endured for decades,sadly I don't think name calling gives them much concern. Don't think you are aware of where I came from mate, but I think you might be surprised. The political leaders of those lifers and such you speak of, would have sat down with SF 10 years ago and did. Had they been elected there would have been no decomissioning on any side, they would be happily sitting in governmet too now. only that goverment would have a totally different make up. But SF would have been there in the same form they are now. Ervine and co didnt deceive the people,and didnt do it in Gods name either.Neither it has to be said was their motives money and power.How do you know decommissioning took place?you dont.Republicans on this forum are mocking decommissioning as a joke,anyone who thinks Paisley and co forced the PIRA to hand in every gun ,round ,and ounce is a total fool.Over three decades Paisley and co have launched attack after attack on other unionists and three decades ago the deal on offer was with nationalists not PIRA.He gutted Unionists for even talking to Catholics,now he sits down,laughs and jokes,with the one who sanctioned the murder of many people from both sides of the community.There are not many people in my community justifying Paisleys actions,and thats putting it mildly.We want peace for everyone,we dont want it at any price.I spoke to a 75 year old man tonight and he said, to see Paisley milking the system dry,which he has always done, is a kick in the teeth for working class Protestants and I agree with him.His expensive house in Helens Bay suits him entirely that is before he moves to stock broker belt Surrey to be near his masters,and know doubt Marty won't be far behind him. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 22:53:13 GMT
when did any republican mock decommisioning as a joke here? Can you please find us a post that backs that assertion up.
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Post by Jim on Jul 31, 2007 23:10:48 GMT
Don't think you are aware of where I came from mate, but I think you might be surprised. The political leaders of those lifers and such you speak of, would have sat down with SF 10 years ago and did. Had they been elected there would have been no decomissioning on any side, they would be happily sitting in governmet too now. only that goverment would have a totally different make up. But SF would have been there in the same form they are now. Ervine and co didnt deceive the people,and didnt do it in Gods name either.Neither it has to be said was their motives money and power.How do you know decommissioning took place?you dont.Republicans on this forum are mocking decommissioning as a joke,anyone who thinks Paisley and co forced the PIRA to hand in every gun ,round ,and ounce is a total fool.Over three decades Paisley and co have launched attack after attack on other unionists and three decades ago the deal on offer was with nationalists not PIRA.He gutted Unionists for even talking to Catholics,now he sits down,laughs and jokes,with the one who sanctioned the murder of many people from both sides of the community.There are not many people in my community justifying Paisleys actions,and thats putting it mildly.We want peace for everyone,we dont want it at any price.I spoke to a 75 year old man tonight and he said, to see Paisley milking the system dry,which he has always done, is a kick in the teeth for working class Protestants and I agree with him.His expensive house in Helens Bay suits him entirely that is before he moves to stock broker belt Surrey to be near his masters,and know doubt Marty won't be far behind him. How do you know they didnt decommission? the IRA decommissioned their weapons, believe it or not, it doesnt matter if you do or not. They're the only paramilitary to do so. If its such a kick in the teeth then vote for the PUP, they're working class. Well, why not? I'd rather be governed by the PUP than the DUP so you'd be doing me a favour aswell. We nationalists and republicans have our working class party that actually does their ground work, time for you to catch up on class politics. Paisley wasnt poor before going into government, either. |
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Post by bluedog on Aug 1, 2007 9:49:23 GMT
How do you know decommissioning took place?you dont Here is how you know. If you find something wrong with what is in these reports then please let us know. cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/peace/decommission/iicdreports.htm.Republicans on this forum are mocking decommissioning as a joke, No we are not. Please provide a post from a Republican here that is mocking decommisioning And you STILL haven't given an viable alternative to the current government Your link proves nothing.A government inspired body backing up Marty the spy and you put that forward as proof. As for decommissioning Blue Angel described it as a red herring beyond conclusive proof.Now this has changed to beyond doubt. To start the other alternative lets have a new election and let the people vote on what they know now instead of what lies they were fed by Big Ian.Come the general election it will be bye bye Ian. ;D |
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,well can I say this? The DUP have not sold out on the people, they have done exactly what they said they would do, and what the people elected them to do. They said they would not sit in government with SF until a number of criteria had been met, and that Criteria has been met. Decommissioning has taken place, and acceptance of the police force and it's bodies has been met. Unlike the UUP, who caved in at every turn, or the PUP who would have happily sat in government with SF many years ago, even when they were still running a terror campaign, they have actually had their criteria met. What exactly do the bleaters expect them to do in the face of that. Find another loop hole to squeeze through? Well I for one am sick and tired o that type of political shinanighans from both sides, and am happy that we now live in an era of relative peace. A wise man once said "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer still". Perhaps Ian and the boys have learnt a little pragmatism and humility in their new roles, and Northern Ireland as a political entity is all the better for it. So shut it for a while and stop bleating. 
