DUP/IRA Alliance

[blueman]

jim said:

But thats the nature of Politics these days. Secterian politics will always be around but the difference is whether or not a tribal party gets into government, its getting them to work on those bread and butter issues. I'm happy with the current government, I voted for SF so I obviously want them in government, I didnt vote for the DUP but I accept their mandate to form a government, and I voted on the basis that I wanted these two parties to work toghether and I dont see how in the end that can be considered secterian politics, when the two "extreme" parties are getting along like theyve forgot everything.

We're still a deeply divided society and as the generations move on then we'll be able to vote based on policy instead of on a secterian basis.

I'll probably always vote on a class basis first, that means I'll not be giving my vote to either the SDLP, Alliance, or the UUP. I've no interest in a party of doctors and solicitors.

Do you accept the current agreement for government? That it must be a united government or no government?

The two parties are getting on because their puppet masters in England have told them to engage in the Love In. I for one will not forget the misery and suffering Paisley and his money loving cronies have heaped on my community. As for the Fascist Sinn Feiners there is no way I will ever forget or forgive the atrocities they have inflicted on Ulster. Murdering supporting Nazis the whole lot of them and the Roman Catholics should be ashamed of themselves for giving them the mandate that they did, that is of course that they did get that vote. I am strongly suspicious about the results and I think that something just doesn't add up with regards to the whole scenario.

Well it is obvious that the Romans are happy enough with Sectarian politics for the foreseeable as the Nazis in the North are getting stronger and stronger so I suppose like other Prods I will just get back into the trenches and look after my own peoples interests. It would appear that is always going to be the problem in Ireland and Ulster because the whole island is immersed in a Religious struggle. People can deny it all they want but Irish Romans have always been the aggressors and those of us who refuse to bow down and worship that Clown who sits in Rome, pretending to be God, well, there is no place for the likes of us in Kafflick Ireland.

The Roman Church like Paisley and the Shinners has inflicted terrible suffering on the Irish and Ulster people. The abuses that they have got away with in Ireland is shocking to say the least. Generation after generation of Irish and Ulster kids brutalised by these monsters, even when scandal after scandal is exposed it doesn't seem to dent them in the least. They grow stronger and stronger. Surely someday, somewhere, somebody in Ireland has to stand up and say enough is enough and begin the fight for Irish Freedom against these Agents of Rome. The Irish seem to be completely indoctrinated and blinded by these hypocrites to the extent they put up with horrendous, horrendous abuses without complaint.

I long for the day when Irishmen and Irishwomen wise up and take off the Roman shackles which has held them in bondage for so long. That day seems to be a long way off but we Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen must try and help them in their plight to rid their country from these abusers of all of our peoples. That in my opinion will be Irish Freedom worth fighting for.

[Blue Angel]

oh god we are so grateful that you are lowering yourself to help us see the errrors of our ways!

[blueman]

bluedog said:

wasp said:

I am working class, I always have been and always will be unless I get six numbers up. But I am not a socialist so what party Jim would suit me??

The best party Wasp will be when big ian and party and Marty and Gerry and co are no more ,I'll make sure you are invited for some devils buttermilk and a bit of line dancing to celebrate our glorious deliverance.

Can I come along too bluedog as I have been known to take a glass or two of the devils vomit. It certainly tastes all right to me but I suspect that the devils vomit is really spewed out in a certain pulpit by a certain man who has never allowed the buttermilk to pass his lips. He thinks he is more holy than the Son of God who certainly partook of a glass while He walked upon the earth. Not so sure about the line dancing though as it might lead me into a state of lust, I think that was what the Doctor told the Free P's. You can't take a glass of wine or do a bit of linedancing but you can amass a fortune in your insatiable lusts for money and power and Share Power with Nazis to suit your own selfish and greedy ends. And I just called the Irish Catholics brainwashed, they obviously aren't the only ones. It will indeed be a Glorious Deliverance when they come down and let the party begin........

[bluedog]

You've touched on an interesting point there Blueman.You know how the DUP/FP hijacked everything to suit their selfish agenda eg The Orange Order.Well I wonder how these Free P's who now seem to want to hijack the Ulster Scots tradition can encourage Scottish dancing surely this would'nt please the leader of the sect.Neither would partaking of the traditional wee dram.But I'm sure they will gradually replace these things with the usual fundamentalist crap,a few unscriptural choruses or two,a few testimonies of how they had the power to let Christ in to their heart,you know the usual clap trap,and thats another tradition gone.There is a much more dangerous enemy in our midst than the Shinners after all they don't try to murder your soul.

[Jim]

wasp said:

I am working class, I always have been and always will be unless I get six numbers up. But I am not a socialist so what party Jim would suit me??

There are no real socialist parties here, the PUP arent socialist but they are working class and their policies are actually good with plenty of ideas to help loyalist areas. You dont get that with the DUP and the UUP are only concerned with helping the middle class areas.

[Jim]

blueman said:

jim said:

But thats the nature of Politics these days. Secterian politics will always be around but the difference is whether or not a tribal party gets into government, its getting them to work on those bread and butter issues. I'm happy with the current government, I voted for SF so I obviously want them in government, I didnt vote for the DUP but I accept their mandate to form a government, and I voted on the basis that I wanted these two parties to work toghether and I dont see how in the end that can be considered secterian politics, when the two "extreme" parties are getting along like theyve forgot everything.

We're still a deeply divided society and as the generations move on then we'll be able to vote based on policy instead of on a secterian basis.

I'll probably always vote on a class basis first, that means I'll not be giving my vote to either the SDLP, Alliance, or the UUP. I've no interest in a party of doctors and solicitors.

Do you accept the current agreement for government? That it must be a united government or no government?

The two parties are getting on because their puppet masters in England have told them to engage in the Love In. I for one will not forget the misery and suffering Paisley and his money loving cronies have heaped on my community. As for the Fascist Sinn Feiners there is no way I will ever forget or forgive the atrocities they have inflicted on Ulster. Murdering supporting Nazis the whole lot of them and the Roman Catholics should be ashamed of themselves for giving them the mandate that they did, that is of course that they did get that vote. I am strongly suspicious about the results and I think that something just doesn't add up with regards to the whole scenario.

Well it is obvious that the Romans are happy enough with Sectarian politics for the foreseeable as the Nazis in the North are getting stronger and stronger so I suppose like other Prods I will just get back into the trenches and look after my own peoples interests. It would appear that is always going to be the problem in Ireland and Ulster because the whole island is immersed in a Religious struggle. People can deny it all they want but Irish Romans have always been the aggressors and those of us who refuse to bow down and worship that Clown who sits in Rome, pretending to be God, well, there is no place for the likes of us in Kafflick Ireland.

The Roman Church like Paisley and the Shinners has inflicted terrible suffering on the Irish and Ulster people. The abuses that they have got away with in Ireland is shocking to say the least. Generation after generation of Irish and Ulster kids brutalised by these monsters, even when scandal after scandal is exposed it doesn't seem to dent them in the least. They grow stronger and stronger. Surely someday, somewhere, somebody in Ireland has to stand up and say enough is enough and begin the fight for Irish Freedom against these Agents of Rome. The Irish seem to be completely indoctrinated and blinded by these hypocrites to the extent they put up with horrendous, horrendous abuses without complaint.

I long for the day when Irishmen and Irishwomen wise up and take off the Roman shackles which has held them in bondage for so long. That day seems to be a long way off but we Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen must try and help them in their plight to rid their country from these abusers of all of our peoples. That in my opinion will be Irish Freedom worth fighting for.

Thats what I dont understand, why favour the union when you clearly have a dislike for English masters running our affairs.

I'm not even going to argue your ideas about Irish "Romans" always being the aggressors, I just cant be arsed. In one post your calling for us to unite with protestants for the working class then in the other your calling us the aggressors, as if all the ills of Ireland is the fault of nationalists when its clearly not. There are no agents of rome in Ireland, its not the 1950s anymore.

The rest of Ireland has oved on from religion, have you? If anything I'd say protestants are far more religious than catholics these days, especially with what I've seen on these forums and the ones before them.

I've been having trouble with the catholic church lately, but i'm not going to blame catholics for things like the troubles when its clear it goes much deeper.

[Bilk]

Ah we are back on the good reverend doctor ,well can I say this? The DUP have not sold out on the people, they have done exactly what they said they would do, and what the people elected them to do. They said they would not sit in government with SF until a number of criteria had been met, and that Criteria has been met. Decommissioning has taken place, and acceptance of the police force and it's bodies has been met. Unlike the UUP, who caved in at every turn, or the PUP who would have happily sat in government with SF many years ago, even when they were still running a terror campaign, they have actually had their criteria met. What exactly do the bleaters expect them to do in the face of that. Find another loop hole to squeeze through? Well I for one am sick and tired o that type of political shinanighans from both sides, and am happy that we now live in an era of relative peace. A wise man once said "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer still". Perhaps Ian and the boys have learnt a little pragmatism and humility in their new roles, and Northern Ireland as a political entity is all the better for it. So shut it for a while and stop bleating.
I have played a role in the trade union movement all my life, and have learned through those years that we never get everything we want, and have learned to be accept what we could realistically get. Like I say Ian and the boys have learned a little pragmatism, and we are all the better for it. The blue rinse brigade have gone, thank the good lord for small mercies. The UUP who fell at the first hurdle, more times than a three legged horse in the Grand National, have gone. We kept putting them back into the race and they kept falling, and we couldn't understand why. Yeah Unionists are stupid!!!!!!
The DUP have not, for many years, said they would never sit in government with SF. Big Ian's "never, never, never" slogan died a long time ago, or hadn't you noticed. His new slogan (At the last election, where they won) was, "We will not sit in government with SF until our demands are met". That has happened, now would the knockers please tell me where the sellout was? Or are they the type who would never "Have a Catholic about the place"? Because calling what the DUP has acheived a "sellout" smacks of that.

[Blue Angel]

I think talk of 'days of vengenance made by almighty god' is seriously worrying and you can't pretend to be oppossing bigotry when coming out what statements like that blueman. If your intent was to have a serious conversation about how the irish free state and later irish republic could have been more inclusive that would be fine. But it seems to me your intent is more to throw cheap bigotry around and I dislike the smug sneering I can see in remarks such as thank God for been born a Protestant. You are not shouldering some metaphorical 'white man's burden' and the fact of the matter is most people whether Protestant or Catholic rub along reasonably well together and attitudes like this are dated and need to go in the dustbin of history.

[Blue Angel]

let's be frank, we are getting the drift from the now defunct UPMJ site which was a hotbed of bigotry and nonsense. Each side is free to critique other to their heart's content here, but implications that one side is particularly favoured by God over the other are foolish and dangerous.

[Blue Angel]

which i to wait to see, a serious examination of the undercurrent of anti-semitisim in european politics as it affected ireland would have been a great thread but right now it has sadly turned into let us use this as a big stick and make wild generalisations with no logical developlment

[Blue Angel]

To some extent i blame myself for starting this thread as I should have foreseen the logical outcome

[Wasp]

but implications that one side is particularly favoured by God over the other are foolish and dangerous.

While I respect everyones right to worship or not to worship whatever the case may be. I have to say that there is nothing wrong whatsoever with saying God favours one side over anyside. God hates anyone who takes away from his word, adds to it or makes manmade rules away from God's word. This includes people from all religions/faiths and includes the Protestant faith.

I do not speak for blueman or anyone else but why should anyone that follows Christ deny his word?

[Bilk]

Am I wrong, but isn't there a religeous section on here where those who care enough can go debate religeon and god and stuff. I thought this thread was about the DUP/SF Alliance?
While I dispute that there is actually an alliance (I would put it more in terms of a begrudged acceptance of each other, which is much better than killing innocent people because they can't agree) I did think that that's what we were discussing here, so could we please get back on thread.

[blueman]

bilk said:

Am I wrong, but isn't there a religeous section on here where those who care enough can go debate religeon and god and stuff. I thought this thread was about the DUP/SF Alliance?
While I dispute that there is actually an alliance (I would put it more in terms of a begrudged acceptance of each other, which is much better than killing innocent people because they can't agree) I did think that that's what we were discussing here, so could we please get back on thread.

Good point, we must try and get back to the topic in hand. To be honest I can't see how the DUPERS and the Nazis are begrudging in their acceptance of each other. Their smiley faces along with their joking and chatting has been a shock to many ordinary Ulster folk. For years Paisley spewed the lie that the DUPERS were at war with the Nazis and raised up Militia after Militia as he pretended that the DUPERS were going to smash the IRA. If my memory serves me right during the Carson trail he even held up items belonging to his fathers UVF uniform to prove he was serious in his determination.

Now what do we find, as they snuggle up to the self confessed Commander of PIRA, that instead of destroying Sinn Fein/IRA like he promised, he wants to share power with them and has become very good friends with them. His relationship with McGuiness has sickened some people and Paisley and Ian Og can laugh and smile and joke with the Nazi terrorist all they want but there are some angry people around this country, especially those who have lost loved ones at the hands of these butchers.

At long last the DUPERS have been exposed and I hope the Ulster people remember the images of both the Paisley's and McGuiness for some time to come. The big bluffer has conned the people at the last election but I don't think they will just be so easily DUPED the next time round. Paisley with the assistance of his English masters has bullied his way to the top of the pile and has eventually got the baubles of power and office he always craved. Sure his English masters are heaping one honour after another upon him, Privy Counsellor, Parliamentarian of the year, [next him and Marty will be put forward for the Nobel Peace Prize] but that is just more proof if proof were needed that he has been their lapdog all these years. During that time the people of Ulster have been ethnically cleansed, butchered and slaughtered by the DUPERS new found partners, Sinn Fein/IRA/Nazis. Ah well, it took all this to open a LOT of peoples blinded eyes and everything in life happens for a purpose.

[Jim]

I think Bliks post on the DUP was excellent, in that its good to see there are unionists out there that believe we're going in the right direction. Not that I was starting to believe the two blues