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Post by Wasp on Oct 16, 2007 22:25:56 GMT
Jim who voted Pres Bush into power and who voted Castro in?
On amnesty does this mean that we shouldn't consider any of there findings to be relevant? Is their findings or reports on the British then to be taken with a pinch of salt in your opinion?
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Post by Jim on Oct 17, 2007 11:32:46 GMT
Jim who voted Pres Bush into power and who voted Castro in? On amnesty does this mean that we shouldn't consider any of there findings to be relevant? Is their findings or reports on the British then to be taken with a pinch of salt in your opinion? Not the American people, thats for sure. Its widely known if Floridas votes had of been counted the other fella Kerry would have marginaly won the election. Funny, that the deciding votes where blocked by a member of the Republican party, the same party of Bush. Democracy isnt the end all to politics Wasp, its marginely important to effective government. I'd rather have an effective government that done whats best but wasnt elected, or barely elected, compared to one that has complete representation but falls out every other day and gets nothing done. I'm not saying we shouldn't find their reports irrelevant, I'm saying that Cuba arent unique in having prisoners like that, almost every state has that. France and Spain have it, America has it, Britain and Ireland have it, could go on all day. |
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Post by An Fear Dubh on Oct 17, 2007 11:33:31 GMT
Wasp, your stories are getting childish, I like the more adult ones you tell about someone you know who you can not say who but someone else will be in the newspapers next week who nearly fits what you were talking about but the circumstances are completely different.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 17, 2007 15:42:27 GMT
Wasp, your stories are getting childish, I like the more adult ones you tell about someone you know who you can not say who but someone else will be in the newspapers next week who nearly fits what you were talking about but the circumstances are completely different. Yeh and I like your stories about your Catholic friends who had to pretend they were Protestants because they attended N.Ireland games especially after you claimed Catholics do not support N.I. ;D ;D |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 17, 2007 15:48:30 GMT
 :oSo you are telling me the American people do not vote for the next president and decide the next president?  Marginally won shows that many voted for Bush. Well Jim then that is simply not democracy, that leads to dictatorship, and in a democracy people can vote out any government that they so wish. Well going by your previous comment it shows that they aren't to be taken word for word so this should apply to reports concerning the British.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 17, 2007 15:51:25 GMT
Well I have shown different. In this thread please tell me what posts were wrong. Also you haven't said anything concerning my comments on amnesty and your reply about going to the Cuban embassy. If you read a few of my last posts you will see the points that I have raised with your reply to me.  |
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Post by Jim on Oct 17, 2007 18:39:50 GMT
:oSo you are telling me the American people do not vote for the next president and decide the next president? Its been open to various debates in the united states. They do vote for a president, in elections where certain states votes arent "spoilt" even though they are easily readable by hand. Like I said, if Floridas votes had of been counted he wouldnt actually be president. Not that it makes a difference in the end not like the democrats are much different than the republicans. We're talking about a few thousand votes here, in a country with millions its something like 2% or less. Besides Bush's administration has been showing signs more like an authoritatian administration than a typical liberal democracy, even going so far as to throw the constitution out the window without a vote/referenda on certain matters that contradict their constitution. No one should be taken word for word. Amnesty have done good things before for people over the world, it doesnt mean they can outline things that are no abnormal in modern states because they dont follow the same idealogy as the big boys. Wasp roughly 1/3 of the nations in the UN are "undemocratic" weither its a military junta or a dictatorship with authority. The difference with Cuba is the citizens dont normally challenge that authority, most accept Castros authority because he's stuck to his word over the years and has put Cuba before personal gains. There are a lot of people that want some sort of change in the system, it doesnt mean they want to completely overhaul it. Those that do are usually CIA backed and funded to look out for US national interests and not Cuban interests, which is why they get so much opposition in Cuba. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 17, 2007 22:40:20 GMT
which is why many people while not exactly 'fans' of castro will support him over the us as the lesser of two evils ultimately. I remember reading that Dev caused uproar on his speaking trips in the US to raise funds for the Dail by comparing Britains relation to Ireland to that of America's to Cuba. The comparision is not exact and Dev's lack of diplomacy cost him support but there is some truth in it - a small country bullied and hectored by a large one constantly with whom it has an ambivalent relationship.
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Post by Jim on Oct 18, 2007 0:13:12 GMT
Legitimacy comes in a variety of forms. democracy is one way, acceptance is another.
I find it highly ironic that a unionist who supported the old regime saying that castro is not legitimate when his government has more legitimacy than this entire states existance.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on Oct 18, 2007 9:53:45 GMT
Come on Setanta be fair! We are talking about storyteller Wasp here! When has he put forward a sane logical point before?!
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Post by Wasp on Oct 18, 2007 20:36:23 GMT
Legitimacy comes in a variety of forms. democracy is one way, acceptance is another. I find it highly ironic that a unionist who supported the old regime saying that castro is not legitimate when his government has more legitimacy than this entire states existance. Where did I say I support the old regime??? To do with your other comments about people not normally challenging the authority is simply bollocks mate. What happens to them if they do? Come on now Jim even you should see through that statement. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 18, 2007 20:42:15 GMT
Come on Setanta be fair! We are talking about storyteller Wasp here! When has he put forward a sane logical point before?! AmFlowingDung today alright. ;D ;D ;D Setanta obviously you are avoiding my point on amnesty, is it because it goes against your grain of belief or train of thought? Usually you would have more to say. BTW what is the republican newspaper called??? |
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Post by Jim on Oct 18, 2007 22:01:58 GMT
Legitimacy comes in a variety of forms. democracy is one way, acceptance is another. I find it highly ironic that a unionist who supported the old regime saying that castro is not legitimate when his government has more legitimacy than this entire states existance. Where did I say I support the old regime??? To do with your other comments about people not normally challenging the authority is simply bollocks mate. What happens to them if they do? Come on now Jim even you should see through that statement. By not supporting this regime it is taken for granted you would prefer the other one, since it was more western. How is it bollocks? It hasnt stopped people in Burma challenging authority, it didnt stop people in East Germany, the Soviet Union, and various southern american countries challenging authority. There is nothing to challenge the population at large are not interested in a CIA backed coup against Castro, not when they've been keeping them in the shits economically for the past 30 years. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2007 18:28:34 GMT
Fair enough answer Setanta, fair enough. The reason I asked was because some of the quotes I gave were from republican news or anphoplacht. Such as
In 1989, an official Sinn Fein delegation including Gerry MacLochlainn, Sheena Campbell (later murdered in 1992 by loyalists) and John Doyle attended the World Youth Festival in Pyongyang (cfr "Sinn Fein Delegation at World Youth Festival", An Phoblacht-Republican News, (vol.11 number 26), 29 June 1989 p.14).
"When we talk about our federal structures of government and local participation, there is something like that in Switzerland. When we talk about workers' ownership there is something like that in Yugoslavia. On the co-operative side we find certain developments in Danish agriculture quite encouraging." ("Interview with Steve Johns", An Phoblacht (vol.7 n.28) 16 July 1976, p.5)
Sinn Fein presented the Ujamaa as being "Eire Nua Tanzanian style" ('Eldrida', "Ujamaa: Eire Nua Tanzanian Style", An Phoblacht (vol.8 n.3) 25 January 1977, p.4 as well as 'Eldrida', "Ujamaa", An Phoblacht (vol.8 n.4), 1 February 1977, p.4)
"There is much in the Tanzanian experiment which should be of interest to Irish Republicans. Tanzanians are also discovering what 'ourselves alone' means, and that the 'risen people' are they themselves when they came together to claim and build their own nation." ('Eldrida', "Building a Nation in Tanzania", Republican News (vol.8 n.48) 9 December 1978, p.10). (See also the quote and photo of Nyeyere in Republican News (vol.7 n.38), 8 October 1977, p.2)
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Post by Jim on Oct 19, 2007 19:49:15 GMT
I just read in the Guardian today that the US have been interning and torturing suspects on UK foreign territory in the Indian ocean I believe.
Where are the condemnations? Cuba get bollocks for having 70 prisoners while the US and UK are in on the most brutal internmets since world war 2.
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:oSo you are telling me the American people do not vote for the next president and decide the next president? 
