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Post by Shades40 on Oct 2, 2007 13:28:25 GMT
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Post by Harry on Oct 2, 2007 13:46:43 GMT
Not playing dumb but what actually is being allowed at his grave??? Do we have a right to dictate what people have on their graves?? Should we allow them to be remembered how they please??? I don't know merely trying to see wht the opinions are on it???
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Post by Shades40 on Oct 2, 2007 15:25:28 GMT
It's for a bench in the graveyard, nothing to do with the actual grave.
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Post by Jim on Oct 2, 2007 15:42:18 GMT
I'd be the last to criticise republicans doing the same thing, so I'm not going to criticise this.
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Post by Shades40 on Oct 2, 2007 16:40:42 GMT
Council supports memorial for man who murdered Council employee. FTW
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Post by Wasp on Oct 2, 2007 17:39:39 GMT
If this grave has nearby Catholic graves then I would be against it in the sameway I would be against a republican memorial near the graves of Protestants. If not then as much as I wouldn't support it I would be along the same thinking as Harry. Funny thing is that the lvf has Catholics among there ranks so in theory they could be classed as non sectarian in the same way republicans claim the ira is not sectarian because there have been Protestants who were republicans.
The issue of blessing the graves is a similar thing that I am opposed to when all graves are blessed in a mixed grave yard.
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Post by Shades40 on Oct 2, 2007 18:08:39 GMT
The "Catholic Brigade" of the LVF in Lurgan are no longer Catholics and have beaten Protestant lads viciously for calling them "taigs" they have murdered Catholics, burned them out of their homes and continue to harass them in the town, so their sectarian no matter what religion they were born under in fact more sectarian because of it.
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Post by Jim on Oct 2, 2007 18:26:11 GMT
Never heard of a catholic brigade before. who are they?
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Post by Wasp on Oct 2, 2007 19:29:54 GMT
The "Catholic Brigade" of the LVF in Lurgan are no longer Catholics and have beaten Protestant lads viciously for calling them "taigs" they have murdered Catholics, burned them out of their homes and continue to harass them in the town, so their sectarian no matter what religion they were born under in fact more sectarian because of it. WTF?!? are they actually Loyalist or just into the drugs. Setanta if you remember I said to you before about this. One of the leaders is/was infact a Catholic and went to a Catholic school. But not only in Lurgan they also have quite a few Catholics in there Hollywood outfit. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 2, 2007 19:32:13 GMT
The "Catholic Brigade" of the LVF in Lurgan are no longer Catholics and have beaten Protestant lads viciously for calling them "taigs" they have murdered Catholics, burned them out of their homes and continue to harass them in the town, so their sectarian no matter what religion they were born under in fact more sectarian because of it. This is a simialr point I was trying to make because there have been Protestant republicans so the same could be said for them because the ira murdered Protestants, harrassed them and ethnically cleansed them etc etc. So the exact same could be said for the ira just the same as what is being said for the lvf. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 2, 2007 19:50:30 GMT
But are the LVF actually a Loyalist Group or is it just a cover, like what the IPLO became? Or even Saor Eire or even the INLA after the lofty ambitions of the people who founded them went to dust just like the founders. The lvf are a loyalist group regardless of peoples opinions. I think there actions should explain this. |
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Post by Jim on Oct 2, 2007 19:53:53 GMT
Can someone tell me a bit more about this catholic brigade?
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Post by Wasp on Oct 2, 2007 20:18:20 GMT
It's a nickname given to the lvf in Lurgan because they have quite a number of Catholics/ex Catholics in it. The same goes for the Hollywood area. Think on the ira having quite a few Protestants in its ranks in certain areas.
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Post by Shades40 on Oct 2, 2007 22:17:48 GMT
2 of the members where Catholics whose mum was an SDLP councillor Mc Nallys, then there's Robin" billy" King and another leading member who's name I forget they are heavily into drug dealing and the Sunday World is really out to get them for killing their reporter, they had about 6 articles in last weeks paper.
They have taken over the Mourneview estate in Lurgan where the house prices are lower than most other areas because of them, 2 of them are married to policemen's daughters and for years they have been getting away everything from murder to beatings and drug dealing only after the reporters murder did anyone take notice of this but any Nationalist in the town could tell you all about what they have got away with for years.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on Oct 3, 2007 14:03:43 GMT
When Billy Wright broke away from the UVF and formed the LVF the dispute was not over political ideology or political direction. It was because a directive had come from Belfast wanting to distance the UVF away from association with drugs and giving cover to drug dealers. There may have been other reasons for this directive, but the result was to threaten the financial life-line of Billy Wright and limit his automony in the Armagh and beyond area. As the other avenues of financial resources were controled by a older UVF element that held some resentment against Billy.
Billy Wright had no problems in providing the cover for criminality (especially drug dealers) so long as the financial benifits suited Billy. Billy himself did not use drugs, or personally sell drugs, some of his 'Lieutenants' were drug users and dealers. So when Billy and later his 'Lieutenants' were removed the drug empire was more widely divided. But Billy was because he facilitated it, a drug dealer/baron. The difference between Billy and those that followed was Billy saw drug dealing as the financial backing to his military campaign. Those that followed saw drug dealing as the way to personal wealth, and a loyalist ethos was paid lip service to as this provided a cover of legitamcy to their criminal activities.
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