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Post by Jim on Sept 14, 2007 12:05:05 GMT
Winning unionists over is only one way of "democratically" removing the border.
Its a time game, literally.
When the GFA came around unionist parties where very worried, they said it was a doorway to a united Ireland, in my opinion, they where right, partially at least.
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Post by Republic on Sept 14, 2007 13:34:22 GMT
Winning unionists over is only one way of "democratically" removing the border. Its a time game, literally. When the GFA came around unionist parties where very worried, they said it was a doorway to a united Ireland, in my opinion, they where right, partially at least. What do you mean Jim? That nationalists will outbreed unionists? If thats what you mean, i think you could be right. But it will take a generation or two to achieve, at least. I dont think it can occur within ten or twenty years, the nationalist population has to firstly catch up with the unionist one, and then overtake it. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 14, 2007 14:44:57 GMT
At least we agree on something and this is something that even Unionists with very little interest in politics are annoyed at.
If they had of they would have been classed as bigots. Not only that the way things are now it seems that Unionists are careful not to offend which is nonesense when it is the anthem that they say represents them. Perhaps it is all the crap about the poor old republicans getting offended at everything. BTW I am not being smart I am being serious.
I don't honestly know but I will try to find out, the way things are at the moment it seems the Union jack is offensive and the tri-colour isn't. Infact the word British is now offensive to some.
To do with the anthem could I ask all republicans why was it fine for everyone to have the soldier song played when it doesn't represent all fans and players but as soon as GSTQ is suggested republicans are up in arms and against the idea?? Where is the fairness and tolerance? Or is it only Unionists that are meant to be tolerant?
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Post by Wasp on Sept 14, 2007 14:48:42 GMT
Republic concerning your question about sinn fein winning over Unionists etc. Believe me they are light years behind Unionist thinking if they think what they are doing will even partially win over Unionists. I know several alliance voters who for example vote alliance but will vote for any of the main Unionist parties if it concerned a UI etc. These same people who are far from political are even getting fed up with the situation. If anything sinn fein are making things worse when it comes to winning Unionists over, Unionists are moving further away if that is possible. In all honesty sinn fein are clueless regarding this.
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Post by Jim on Sept 14, 2007 19:34:40 GMT
Winning unionists over is only one way of "democratically" removing the border. Its a time game, literally. When the GFA came around unionist parties where very worried, they said it was a doorway to a united Ireland, in my opinion, they where right, partially at least. What do you mean Jim? That nationalists will outbreed unionists? If thats what you mean, i think you could be right. But it will take a generation or two to achieve, at least. I dont think it can occur within ten or twenty years, the nationalist population has to firstly catch up with the unionist one, and then overtake it. Like I said, its a time game. |
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Post by Republic on Sept 14, 2007 20:23:54 GMT
Like I said, its a time game. maybe I'm slow, but I'm still unclear about what you mean! Are you talking about simply outbreeding unionists? |
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Post by Jim on Sept 15, 2007 0:53:31 GMT
Some people take for granted those kids born to nationalist parents wont care about a united Ireland, I personally see that as bollocks. As long as republicanism lives in the north, a united Ireland will always be on the cards.
Its not a matter of outbreeding, we arent different species or different races, its a matter of a growing generation in Britain getting fed up with the union, and a growing genetation in Northern Ireland that are in the middle. If Britian broke up tomorrow the north would not be independant, and England wouldnt keep it either.
The only reason the state survived in the 1920s was because it was supported by the British, and heavily gerrymandered borders meant a constant unionist control. Those are gone.
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Post by earl on Sept 17, 2007 20:35:11 GMT
Just to throw me tuppence , I believe that only Irelands call sould be played regardless of venue.The IRFU have, on te whole done an excellent job of staying the middle road.
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