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Post by Harry on Sept 5, 2007 15:16:44 GMT
Even if I get you a ticket for the 6 Nations Games in Croker? Even then buddy. I'm finished with them. Cheers all the same  |
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Post by Jim on Sept 7, 2007 15:29:25 GMT
Cuz its part of the UK. Which makes me ask why dont they support England I think its a bit petty not supporting Ireland because of a bad decision, I'd not stop supporting them (i mildly follow rugby) if they didnt play amhran na bhfiann. |
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Post by lochy on Sept 8, 2007 18:33:03 GMT
As someone from Northern Ireland who attends Rugby matches when I can, if I was attending an Ireland match in Belfast and GSTQ wasn't played, I wouldn't be in the least bit offended.
My point is that GSTQ does not represent a large proportion of NI people so to play it to represent NI players doesn't make sense. NI needs to find its own anthem and then we can play that.
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Post by lochy on Sept 8, 2007 18:35:05 GMT
Regardless, its a complete farce and i will no longer see Ireland rugby team as my own. Harry, Dont want to go off topic and its been discussed before, but you have called on Nationalists to support the NI football team, even though they play an anthem and fly a flag that is not ours. Can you see the parallels? |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 8, 2007 19:27:06 GMT
I don't follow rugby that much but because I know one of the players quite well I liked to see them win, but my first preference was England when I followed it a wee bit. My opinion of Ireland winning has not changed but even more now I do not see them as my countrys team or anything like it.
Lochy you are missing the point, there are loads of Ireland fans along with some of the players that view GSTQ as there anthem and there are loads that don't. BUT if the soldier song can be played in Dublin respected by those who do NOT view it as there anthem then why can't the same be done when playing in Belfast? The team is made up of players and supporters from two countries who have an anthem, representing one side and an anthem representing the other. So when playing in N.Ireland on British soil shouldn't at the very least some respect could be shown by playing the Queen?
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Post by lochy on Sept 8, 2007 22:09:28 GMT
I don't follow rugby that much but because I know one of the players quite well I liked to see them win, but my first preference was England when I followed it a wee bit. My opinion of Ireland winning has not changed but even more now I do not see them as my countrys team or anything like it. Lochy you are missing the point, there are loads of Ireland fans along with some of the players that view GSTQ as there anthem and there are loads that don't. BUT if the soldier song can be played in Dublin respected by those who do NOT view it as there anthem then why can't the same be done when playing in Belfast? The team is made up of players and supporters from two countries who have an anthem, representing one side and an anthem representing the other. So when playing in N.Ireland on British soil shouldn't at the very least some respect could be shown by playing the Queen? Look WASP, I haven't missed the point. GSTQ is not the anthem of a significant proportion of N.Irelands population. To use it to represent NI doesn't make sense. NI needs its own anthem. GSTQ is not a viable way anymore. Wales and scotland have realised it. England are moving that way. Why is Ni always behind. |
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Post by Jim on Sept 9, 2007 7:18:15 GMT
I don't follow rugby that much but because I know one of the players quite well I liked to see them win, but my first preference was England when I followed it a wee bit. My opinion of Ireland winning has not changed but even more now I do not see them as my countrys team or anything like it. Lochy you are missing the point, there are loads of Ireland fans along with some of the players that view GSTQ as there anthem and there are loads that don't. BUT if the soldier song can be played in Dublin respected by those who do NOT view it as there anthem then why can't the same be done when playing in Belfast? The team is made up of players and supporters from two countries who have an anthem, representing one side and an anthem representing the other. So when playing in N.Ireland on British soil shouldn't at the very least some respect could be shown by playing the Queen? I'd not have a problem with anthems being played if it was acceptable to me and the large majority of nationalists in the north. I'd rather play an anthem we can all stand behind and not just take for granted that everyone likes GSTQ, when Scotland and Wales arent bothering themselves. GSTQ to me is an anthem that should be played for England. Amhran na bhFiann is an anthem that should be played in the south, and we need one of our own if this state is to have any legitimacy when it comes to sport. The IRFU have done a lot more than the IFA and the GAA to open sport to everyone in the community, other organisations should be taking note. The IFA uses Ulster banners (despite it being a flag from an old oppressive regime abolished in 1972 to me and other nationalists) while the GAA uses the tricolour and Amhran na bhFiann, where is the balance? |
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Post by Harry on Sept 9, 2007 7:41:37 GMT
Regardless, its a complete farce and i will no longer see Ireland rugby team as my own. Harry, Dont want to go off topic and its been discussed before, but you have called on Nationalists to support the NI football team, even though they play an anthem and fly a flag that is not ours. Can you see the parallels? Lets get it right. The N.Ireland team is exactly that, a team from N.Ireland. It doesn't have to concern itself with matters from the south. What it does have to do is recognise those from the north who don't see GSTQ as their anthem and try in some way to help them support the team. My arguements about NI football was only that the old virus of sectarian singing etc was being eradicated and efforts are being made to encourage more Catholics to support NI. The Ireland rugby team is supposed to represent both countries and with that it ultimately represents those that are British and who view GSTQ as their own anthem. Now round the Harryville area i'll admit very few would support Irish rugby but my old pals from school days who would of went to better schools where rugby was played like cambridge house or the Ballymena academy would fully support Ireland. They are every bit as British and as Unionist as me but they would head to Dublin to watch the games and would stand for the soldier song and not take any offence to it. Like so many from Ulster who have down the years accepted the soldier song and accepted the tricolor, of course there are those from the north who would see these symbols as their own and i also accept that. My point is and i can also accept this if its true is that the Ireland rugby team doesn't accept Unionists or those who view GSTQ as their anthem. Its been happy to allow the minority to accept foreign symbols but it wasn't prepared to reciprocate the gesture to the minority when the opportunity presented itself. So perhaps through this i've come to understand where i personally stand in regards to Irish rugby and also have more of an understanding for those in the North who don't view the NI football team as their own. |
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Post by lochy on Sept 9, 2007 21:18:53 GMT
Harry, Dont want to go off topic and its been discussed before, but you have called on Nationalists to support the NI football team, even though they play an anthem and fly a flag that is not ours. Can you see the parallels? Lets get it right. The N.Ireland team is exactly that, a team from N.Ireland. It doesn't have to concern itself with matters from the south. What it does have to do is recognise those from the north who don't see GSTQ as their anthem and try in some way to help them support the team. My arguements about NI football was only that the old virus of sectarian singing etc was being eradicated and efforts are being made to encourage more Catholics to support NI. The Ireland rugby team is supposed to represent both countries and with that it ultimately represents those that are British and who view GSTQ as their own anthem. Now round the Harryville area i'll admit very few would support Irish rugby but my old pals from school days who would of went to better schools where rugby was played like cambridge house or the Ballymena academy would fully support Ireland. They are every bit as British and as Unionist as me but they would head to Dublin to watch the games and would stand for the soldier song and not take any offence to it. Like so many from Ulster who have down the years accepted the soldier song and accepted the tricolor, of course there are those from the north who would see these symbols as their own and i also accept that. My point is and i can also accept this if its true is that the Ireland rugby team doesn't accept Unionists or those who view GSTQ as their anthem. Its been happy to allow the minority to accept foreign symbols but it wasn't prepared to reciprocate the gesture to the minority when the opportunity presented itself. So perhaps through this i've come to understand where i personally stand in regards to Irish rugby and also have more of an understanding for those in the North who don't view the NI football team as their own. About reciprocating gestures. The IRFU has tried to be inclusive to Unionists. I mean, if Ireland reach the World Cup final, the Irish National Anthem will not be played. Do you think this is what the majority of Irish people want. NO, it is an attempt to get all people in Ireland to support the team. There has been movement by the IRFU, but as usual this doesn't get recognised by certain elements in the North. The thing about compromises is that no-one gets what they want. I as an irishman dont get my countries National anthem played if Ireland reach a World Cup final. You as British, dont get the Irish National anthem played. We are both unhappy. that is a compromise. Please recognise the work done so far by the IRFU and Irish fans in general. I personally would have had no problem with GSTQ being played in Belfast, but I would have wanted my anthem played as well. |
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Post by Harry on Sept 10, 2007 7:07:54 GMT
Lets get it right. The N.Ireland team is exactly that, a team from N.Ireland. It doesn't have to concern itself with matters from the south. What it does have to do is recognise those from the north who don't see GSTQ as their anthem and try in some way to help them support the team. My arguements about NI football was only that the old virus of sectarian singing etc was being eradicated and efforts are being made to encourage more Catholics to support NI. The Ireland rugby team is supposed to represent both countries and with that it ultimately represents those that are British and who view GSTQ as their own anthem. Now round the Harryville area i'll admit very few would support Irish rugby but my old pals from school days who would of went to better schools where rugby was played like cambridge house or the Ballymena academy would fully support Ireland. They are every bit as British and as Unionist as me but they would head to Dublin to watch the games and would stand for the soldier song and not take any offence to it. Like so many from Ulster who have down the years accepted the soldier song and accepted the tricolor, of course there are those from the north who would see these symbols as their own and i also accept that. My point is and i can also accept this if its true is that the Ireland rugby team doesn't accept Unionists or those who view GSTQ as their anthem. Its been happy to allow the minority to accept foreign symbols but it wasn't prepared to reciprocate the gesture to the minority when the opportunity presented itself. So perhaps through this i've come to understand where i personally stand in regards to Irish rugby and also have more of an understanding for those in the North who don't view the NI football team as their own. About reciprocating gestures. The IRFU has tried to be inclusive to Unionists. I mean, if Ireland reach the World Cup final, the Irish National Anthem will not be played. Do you think this is what the majority of Irish people want. NO, it is an attempt to get all people in Ireland to support the team. There has been movement by the IRFU, but as usual this doesn't get recognised by certain elements in the North. The thing about compromises is that no-one gets what they want. I as an irishman dont get my countries National anthem played if Ireland reach a World Cup final. You as British, dont get the Irish National anthem played. We are both unhappy. that is a compromise. Please recognise the work done so far by the IRFU and Irish fans in general. I personally would have had no problem with GSTQ being played in Belfast, but I would have wanted my anthem played as well. I have no interest whatsoever in the Ireland rugby team now. Its water under the bridge as far as i'm concerned. They can play what they like when they like and it won't bother me. They do not represent me and i have no desire to make them, or try and force my views on them. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 10, 2007 10:53:10 GMT
Scotland is part of the UK and supporting any British team is better for many than supporting what they now see as a foreign one that only shows respect and tolerance to one-side.
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Post by Wasp on Sept 10, 2007 18:22:16 GMT
HA! Right so, thanks WASP.............. supporting Scots is better than supporting yoir home grown "Ulster" players. Great! Hang on did I say I support Scotland or anything like it??? BTW would you still support Ireland if they didn't play the soldier song in Dublin but played GSTQ in Belfast and southern fans and players stood for it and showed respect for the anthem etc? |
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Post by Jim on Sept 11, 2007 6:44:04 GMT
Yes. I would, could care less about GTSQ at the end of the day, its the anthem of the English football and rugby team anyway.
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Post by Shades40 on Sept 11, 2007 16:29:27 GMT
Yes. I would, could care less about GTSQ at the end of the day, its the anthem of the English football and rugby team anyway. ;D |
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Post by Jim on Sept 11, 2007 18:46:37 GMT
Besides I've stood up for GSTQ before in England, not like I'm going to sit down like a rebel and break out the tricolour because they are playing their anthem. I dont like it being played in Northern Ireland while my own anthem is ignored completely, but I'm not going to be a rebel about it either. Thats why Irelands Call was written, the south doesnt have the anthem problems we have, its a state with no problem with its anthem, the north is the opposite.
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