Willie F analyses anti-semitism in Irish history

[Wasp]

Why has blueman's posts been deleted even from days ago???

[earl]

blueman said:

I agree that I do need to do more reading but the more that comes out about Ireland's Nazis the more I can understand the reluctance of the Ulster Nation to be co-erced into an Irish Republic against their will.

I love this moral high ground arguement. I don't suppose you caught the programme the other week on channel 4 about anti-semitisim in modern Britain did you (I'm reading this thread in retrospect, so if this has already been mentioned further in apologies to all). Anti-sematism is so rife in modern Britain, that in places like Manchester, the Jewish community have to have a police escort to their places of worship. And this isn't some half-arsed fact from 70 years ago. This happened last weekend, and will happen next weekend and the weekend after that. So what you have said above, in your pseudo-moral ambivalent way is that the 'Ulster nation' (mmmm, let me guess, this nation is just over half the population of NI and are all of a certain religion) would rather stay in a country where certain citizens require police escorts to go worship, than to join a country where there is no such need or thing as police escorts for minority religions.

Sinn Fein/IRA with their bigotry, intolerance and Nationalist Socialist principles are indeed a carbon copy of Hitler and his henchmen. At least the present day Irish people see something about Sinn Fein/IRA which they don't like and have cottoned on to their Fascist principles and have shown them the door at the last election. That in itself gives me some hope for the future.

You seem to be very confused between national socialism expressed by the Nazi's and socialism itself. One is right wing, and the other is left wing. The reason SF did so badly in the ROI is because they are far, far too left wing for the average Irishman. It may suprise you that fascisism is the last thing on an Irish persons mind as he/she goes to vote. There are no BNP-like pseudo-fascist parties to worry about here.

[earl]

bluedog said:

The unfortunate links Ireland had to the Nazis is just another sorry tale in this islands history.To begin with to chose Ireland as a safe haven for a number of war criminals suggests some sort of protection from ultimate prosecution was available in that country.The scary thing is that it was Roman Catholic Friars that smuggled in Artikovic.Nobody seriously could argue these people were not aware of any of the one million deaths he was responsible for,or they were not aware of the activities of his men.Then were the Dublin authorities completely unaware he was living in their midst?I think not.Irelands historical link with Romanism is a conduit to Nazism one which President McAleese overlooked.

And this is another fucking joke of a post. Setanta posted a link to a book which goes into detail on Britains nazi shame, and historic events like Neil Armstrongs little stroll on the moon couldn't have been achieved without U.S. collaboration with former nazi's.

Some Loyalists seem so desperate, right to the point of embarressment, to prove that the ROI is the real nazi's on this island. I wonder why that is.
Is it because the curent leader of Unionism is an anti-semite?
Ian Paisley:
"The Unionist party are boasting he (Harold Smith) is a Jew. As a Jew, he rejects our Lord Jesus, the New Testament, Protestant principles, the Glorious Reformation and the sanctity of the Lord's day. The Protestant throne and the Protestant constitution are nothing to him."
Is it because loyalist millitants are opening orphanages in Africa with German neo-nazi's?
www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune/News/Home%20News&id=64767&SUBCAT=Tribune/News/Home%20News

Is it because certain cultural groups are seen moonlighting in the past with neo fascist groups?
www.rte.ie/news/2000/0702/drumcree.html

Maybe it's all of the above.

As much as some Loyalists would wish it otherwise, it's not the ROI with the image problem as concerns 'sorry tales' from this island. While the world heard that NI would stop blowing the shit out of each other, the ROI was in the news being associated with success and words like 'miracle'.

Homer Simpson summed up the worlds opinion on this island perfectly when he said, "We've got Boston, South America and the good part of Ireland"

[blueman]

wasp said:

Why has blueman's posts been deleted even from days ago???

They are deleted because like their predecessors of old they don't like anyone who has a different outlook or perspective apart from their own. When they can't beat you with open debate and discussion they do what comes naturally to them and that is to silence you. It is a bit like their 'Free State', not to many 'Dissenting' voices down there now is there.

The modern day Nationalist Socialists aided and abetted by the sell out merchants from within don't like historical fact and try to airbrush the truth out of the history books. That is why they will try ever so hard to pretend that they didn't know about the Blueshirts, the Irish Christian Front, Sean Russell meeting the Nazis, the murderous Nazis given a safe haven after the war, the 40,000 Irish volunteers who fought for Britain during the war etc,etc. Lies and more lies are the order of the day and it is a tactic which has worked for them well down through the years.

Even when RTE make a programme about their shameful past it is ignored but, thank God, with modern day media, it is not just so easy airbrushing the facts out of history. I am not suprised by the treatment handed out by Setanta as that is the way Ulster Prods expect to be treated by Republicans but it is suprising that once Bilkie boy, the DUPER, appeared on the scene that is when the posts started to go missing. Poor oul Setanta took the rap but the more sinister element is perhaps more to blame. Strange boys these DUPERS.

[blueman]

earl said:

blueman said:

I agree that I do need to do more reading but the more that comes out about Ireland's Nazis the more I can understand the reluctance of the Ulster Nation to be co-erced into an Irish Republic against their will.

I love this moral high ground arguement. I don't suppose you caught the programme the other week on channel 4 about anti-semitisim in modern Britain did you (I'm reading this thread in retrospect, so if this has already been mentioned further in apologies to all). Anti-sematism is so rife in modern Britain, that in places like Manchester, the Jewish community have to have a police escort to their places of worship. And this isn't some half-arsed fact from 70 years ago. This happened last weekend, and will happen next weekend and the weekend after that. So what you have said above, in your pseudo-moral ambivalent way is that the 'Ulster nation' (mmmm, let me guess, this nation is just over half the population of NI and are all of a certain religion) would rather stay in a country where certain citizens require police escorts to go worship, than to join a country where there is no such need or thing as police escorts for minority religions.

Sinn Fein/IRA with their bigotry, intolerance and Nationalist Socialist principles are indeed a carbon copy of Hitler and his henchmen. At least the present day Irish people see something about Sinn Fein/IRA which they don't like and have cottoned on to their Fascist principles and have shown them the door at the last election. That in itself gives me some hope for the future.

You seem to be very confused between national socialism expressed by the Nazi's and socialism itself. One is right wing, and the other is left wing. The reason SF did so badly in the ROI is because they are far, far too left wing for the average Irishman. It may suprise you that fascisism is the last thing on an Irish persons mind as he/she goes to vote. There are no BNP-like pseudo-fascist parties to worry about here.

I don't know whether to reply to this post or not as it may well have been deleted but it is good to hear from you Earl, as we have had many interesting duels in the past.

Well now, you are seriously trying to tell me Sinn Fein/IRA are a left wing organisation and that is why the Irish Electorate didn't vote for them. Perhaps, Earl, you might wish to take a visit to Ulster and look at the mansions and holiday homes these pretensious 'lefties' either reside in or own. If you can't abide a visit to Ulsterland visit Donegal, presently occupied by your own State, and there you will meet with your leader, Gerry, and his multi-million pound, sorry Euro, house. Doesn't look much of a left-winger to me but yet again you twist the truth to suit your own agenda.

You know fine well that the Provisionals are not a left-wing organisation. The Officials who were trying to get away from the grip of the Roman Church had to be ruthlessly destroyed and replaced by these Sectarian butchers which was a move orchestrated by higher powers. Despite all what Sinn Fein/IRA feed the likes of yourself and the rest of the gulls, the watching world know exactly what they represent and it is most certainly not in the interests of the Working Classes be they Protestant or be they Roman.

[Blue Angel]

when did you last actually visit the 'free state'* blueman? Since we are induglging in guesses all the time on other threads my guess would be not any time recently!

*Of course since as I keep pointing out the free state no longer exsists perhaps BM could let us in on the secret of time travel as he seems to have discovered. Perhaps we could visit a number of other states that no longer exsist, I fancy a trip around the Ottoman Empire meself.

[blueman]

earl said:

bluedog said:

The unfortunate links Ireland had to the Nazis is just another sorry tale in this islands history.To begin with to chose Ireland as a safe haven for a number of war criminals suggests some sort of protection from ultimate prosecution was available in that country.The scary thing is that it was Roman Catholic Friars that smuggled in Artikovic.Nobody seriously could argue these people were not aware of any of the one million deaths he was responsible for,or they were not aware of the activities of his men.Then were the Dublin authorities completely unaware he was living in their midst?I think not.Irelands historical link with Romanism is a conduit to Nazism one which President McAleese overlooked.

And this is another fucking joke of a post. Setanta posted a link to a book which goes into detail on Britains nazi shame, and historic events like Neil Armstrongs little stroll on the moon couldn't have been achieved without U.S. collaboration with former nazi's.

Some Loyalists seem so desperate, right to the point of embarressment, to prove that the ROI is the real nazi's on this island. I wonder why that is.
Is it because the curent leader of Unionism is an anti-semite?
Ian Paisley:
"The Unionist party are boasting he (Harold Smith) is a Jew. As a Jew, he rejects our Lord Jesus, the New Testament, Protestant principles, the Glorious Reformation and the sanctity of the Lord's day. The Protestant throne and the Protestant constitution are nothing to him."
Is it because loyalist millitants are opening orphanages in Africa with German neo-nazi's?
www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune/News/Home%20News&id=64767&SUBCAT=Tribune/News/Home%20News

Is it because certain cultural groups are seen moonlighting in the past with neo fascist groups?
www.rte.ie/news/2000/0702/drumcree.html

Maybe it's all of the above.

As much as some Loyalists would wish it otherwise, it's not the ROI with the image problem as concerns 'sorry tales' from this island. While the world heard that NI would stop blowing the shit out of each other, the ROI was in the news being associated with success and words like 'miracle'.

Homer Simpson summed up the worlds opinion on this island perfectly when he said, "We've got Boston, South America and the good part of Ireland"

Well Ian Paisley is a self serving False Prophet who is only interested in feathering his own nest which he has done with the help of his Masters in England, who have taught and nurtured him in all their evil ways, Anti Semitism being one of them.

The Throne of England is most certainly not Protestant in my opinion but like Big Ian only interested in the things of time and sense. Like their Roman counterparts they care little for the working classes and treat them with contempt and derision. Their Pride, Arrogance and Haughtiness is there for all to see apart from those who are wilfully ignorant. The so called Protestant Constituition is a standing joke among 'Dissenters' and should be renamed the 'High Anglican Church Constituition' and at the end of the day they have more in common with their Roman friends than they have with the likes of us. I suppose it is uncanny that they still occupy huge swathes of your so called 'Free State' but that is of no suprise to the 'Dissenters'. We are more switched on than you lot.

I suspect that we couldn't have blown the crap out of each other without the assistance of both the so called Republic and England. I feel we were playing out other peoples agendas and while the likes of yourself stand aloof as a supposed innocent bystander, I suspect, your Sectarian and hate-filled State was not as innocent as you would have the world believe.

It is typical of your Republican agenda as you have to rely on a Cartoon character to back up your arguments but I strongly suspect that is what your Ideology and Mindset is based upon, Fiction and nothing else but Fiction. At least we now know Homer is a Roman to the core.

[Blue Angel]

oh jesus christ on a bike i cannot believe we are seriously debating homer simpson's religous loyalties - we have slipped into some surreal parallel universe.

[blueman]

blueangel said:

when did you last actually visit the 'free state'* blueman? Since we are induglging in guesses all the time on other threads my guess would be not any time recently!

*Of course since as I keep pointing out the free state no longer exsists perhaps BM could let us in on the secret of time travel as he seems to have discovered. Perhaps we could visit a number of other states that no longer exsist, I fancy a trip around the Ottoman Empire meself.

I had the misfortune of being 'down there' a few months ago. I walked into a hotel in a fairly so called cosmopolitan area. I thought I would go and see for myself if what you were telling me was true and that they had really changed for the better. The next thing a 'Rebel' song was being played. I think it was something called 'the Broad Black Cowboy Hat of the IRA'. I immediately thought of Paisley but then I remembered that the Provos used to sing a song like that. I thought to myself, imagine a Roman walking into a Hotel in Belfast and being confronted with 'Here Lies a Soldier'. There would be wailing and howling and gnashing of teeth, but like my countrymen in Ulster we put up with such blatant Sectarianism and just laugh into ourselves realising that Ireland may well have changed the window dressing but the Contents of the shop are still the same.

[blueman]

blueangel said:

oh jesus christ on a bike i cannot believe we are seriously debating homer simpson's religous loyalties - we have slipped into some surreal parallel universe.

Not at all BA, welcome to Ireland and Ulster because that is exactly what it is all about over here and Homer might well take the Roman side of the road but we Dissenters take the other side of the road, even if it goes against Hollywood and what the vast majority believe. You see, we are the 'Real Rebels', not like youse lot who are only pretending to be 'Rebels'.

[Blue Angel]

thanks for welcoming me to my own country - i am glad to learn you now subscribe to the republican outlook as you see yourself as the real rebels!

[Blue Angel]

the whole point of a character like Homer Simpson or South Park or similar is to poke fun at the idoicy of these kind of outlooks. Just as Swfit did with fellows arguing about which end of their egg to break open in the morning at breakfast and coming to blows about it.

[blueman]

blueangel said:

thanks for welcoming me to my own country - i am glad to learn you now subscribe to the republican outlook as you see yourself as the real rebels!

Just as long as you don't pretend to be a Rebel and end up on the Roman side you will be more than welcome to our Cause!

[Wasp]

eARL WORTE 'While the world heard that NI would stop blowing the shit out of each other, the ROI was in the news being associated with success and words like 'miracle'.'

Along with the word miracle you left out words like shame, scandal, perverts, abuse etc which were also in the news along with the good points.

[Republic]

blueman said:

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If you can't abide a visit to Ulsterland visit Donegal, presently occupied by your own State.

By using the term 'occupied', are you saying that the ROI is illegitimate?
Therefore would your own country, NI, not also be illegitimate, as both states were born at the same time and in the same way?