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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2008 3:49:11 GMT
Whether a vast majorit or just a majority no-one can call it an occupation. I am not occupying the country that I was bornm and bred in now am I? Or are the rest of us Brits? A "majority" only exists because the state was created with that "majority" in mind. A "majority" didnt exist before the state was created. There is no vast-majority of British here which was my point. I dont deny your right to call yourself British. But you calling northern Irish citizens "wannabes" isnt on, because the vast majority of English I've gotten to know over the past 2 years think NI British are wannabes and really just cant be arsed with any of us. Somtimes I wish I was fucking English. They're normal. They grow up with boring lives, vote for boring parties and most have never saw a gun, heard a bomb or lived in such a shit hole in their entire lives. The Queen. I like the Queen, I do think that Britain should be a Republic, with an elected "Lords"/Senate, and a president, but I think the Queen does a brill job on the world stage. But the British crown, the system of Monarchy, will always be a symbol of occupation to me. Its rare I agree with the Irish Govt since I'm a Sinn Fein voter and would never vote FF (and I've little time for the president as I didnt elect her, but I agree with their stance on a visit by the Queen. We need to run our own policing before we can really call the occupation over. As long a the rule of law is held by english judges and english handlers, the occupation exists. I don't see you, Wasp, as an occupier, I see the "Lords" and posh English privileged fuckers as occupiers and always will. They've no love for me or you, I've no love for them. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Mar 25, 2008 7:35:41 GMT
i have no confusion of identity wasp -i am what i am.
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Post by Harry on Mar 25, 2008 8:19:47 GMT
Its too soon for the queen to visit?? Interesting. You see Unionists get called all the names under the sun for their issues with SF. SF supported and many of its members actively sought to end British rule in NI through acts of terror. We are supposed to accept these men and parties into government but its to bloody soon for the queen to merely visit ROI??? What kind of message are you sending out?? Where is the give and take. I can fully understand isues surrounding a royal visit to ROI but surely you must see how this looks and feels to Unionism??
If republicans aren't at a stage where they can accept a visit, yes a simple visit then i'm afraid you are the backward lot and go by the old saying of ' do as i say but not as i do'
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Post by Harry on Mar 25, 2008 9:48:59 GMT
You want the queen to apologise........get a grip of reality. In all honesty i'm not bothered whether the queen ever makes a visit to ROI. Its of no concern to me either way. What concerns me is the double standards but again its so common that it should be expected.
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Post by Wasp on Mar 25, 2008 11:05:00 GMT
I knew it JIm we are getting to you at last and you have saw the light.  She does and works tirelessly for her people and country. On an added note I would hate to be a royal. Well Jim without getting into a heated row over it, this is something that we obviously and strongly disagree on. It is about time republicans stopped their arrogant backward stance and moved their mindset into modern times. |
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Post by Wasp on Mar 25, 2008 11:12:47 GMT
Good post Harry and it sadly shows what we are up against with the unbelievable hypocricy from republicans. When they point the finger at Unionists being backward etc they should take note at the three fingers pointing back at them. My friend from Southport is sitting here beside me and he can not understand how republicans can have so many faces and personalities. Although he is not political or religiously motivated he plainly sees the usual republican hypocricy.
They cry about equality, they demand their right to be in government in the country they tried to destroy, killing and maiming thousands, destroying homes and business's and yet go on their high horse when Unionists speak out against sinn fein/ira in governement. But they cannot accept a simple visit by the Queen who has been and continues to be a fantastic ambassador for the UK and all the charitable organisations she represents.
Unbelieveable.
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Post by Wasp on Mar 25, 2008 11:14:21 GMT
. It is about time republicans stopped their arrogant backward stance and moved their mindset into modern times. You think heriditary position belongs in modern times?   Of course in the lines of Royalty? You think republican hypocricy and double standards belongs in anytime never mind modern times. |
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Post by Wasp on Mar 25, 2008 11:41:23 GMT
Would that be the time she made the comment about Protestant children and the nazis? She is a twat and no amount of bridge building will fix that. If the Quenn said similar to do with Catholics what would your reaction be like then?? Fuck you would be calling for her head.
What is this respect you want Her Majesty to show, she doesn't live on this island, she lives in England, N.I is part of her kingdom and the republic is meant to be her friend and neighbour.
Absolutley.
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Post by Wasp on Mar 25, 2008 12:29:13 GMT
Which includes people from her own country and many many of them as well.
Now as you well know Her Majesty is a very very busy woman, she can hardly get time to be sick let alone spend all the time she has over here. Anyway it is about time your president paid some repsect to northern Protestants after the country she represents had them fleeing form Catholic groups, the country that she represents allowing a church which slaughtered Protestants by the multitudes to rule over them, a country that harboured terrorists and allowed them to walk freely after carrying out cowardly secatrian attacks in N.I. So it is about time the Irish leadership do all they can to reach out to Unionists after all that they have done and allowed to happen to those from Unionists/Protestant stock.
I have seen manytimes on this forum people being called names and I don't think you spoke out then. At least I am not trying to hide my feelings for the wrench, I have far more time for Bertie and co than her.
Oh wise up ffs. You as usual have twisted and turned events to suit your own arguements. Your president and your country finally acknowledges the fallen from your country that fought tyranny, rather than a bunch of criminals at the easter rising.
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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2008 14:03:45 GMT
Well Jim without getting into a heated row over it, this is something that we obviously and strongly disagree on. It is about time republicans stopped their arrogant backward stance and moved their mindset into modern times. Modern times call for modern institutions  Harry, you can call Republicans backwards or Hypocrites all you want, but keep in mind its not Republicans that would start the riots in Dublin, it would be the hoods and scumbag smicks around Dublin coming out for a good time. All fuelled by Rauri O'Bradaigh and his bunch of plebs in RSF. Thats why its too soon. She wouldn't make it down O'Connell street without her security entourage having to shoot some fucker and causing an international incident. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2008 14:18:12 GMT
Aye, it shouldn't, but it is a factor. Look what happened when the HateIrel... sorry, LoveUlster parade went down. Can you seriously picture wee Bertie saying to his cabinet "Its the Queen, they'll not come out dont worry lads".
I agree with you, the Irish state has shown respect to Britain, the British state has never once shown respect to the Irish dead unless it was in their own interests. But I don't expect them too either, after all, they are the occupiers.
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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2008 14:34:54 GMT
Because the USA has them by the bollocks.
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Post by Harry on Mar 25, 2008 16:11:14 GMT
The queen won't ever make any comments which could be political. She has never came out and supported the OO either so lets not forget that. When she sees all the trouble relating to OO parades do you honestly believe, even slightly that she supports it??  Of course she must cringe at it and at those who are doing it but condemnation lies with the government. Republicans can't accept the head of state for Great Britain for a simple visit to their country. The new era of understanding and mutual respect doesn't allow for a visit. The hatred that exsists for Britain is so deep that its not possible. The queen must meet 'conditions' before she would be welcome. And nobody can see any signs of anything double or standard!!! |
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Post by Bilk on Mar 25, 2008 16:59:58 GMT
The queen is the head of state for the UK, she has citezens who reside on the island of Ireland, that alone means she is entitled to respect. I respect the Irish National anthem at any event I attend where it is played and sung. That does not mean that I wholeheartedly agree with it. But it is the national anthem of the Irish, and as such, it is entitled to unconditional respect. Republicans believe that the only people capable of disrespect are the British, their hatred for that race runs so deep they cannot see beyond the end of their nose.
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Post by Harry on Mar 25, 2008 17:20:03 GMT
What mutual respect are we talking about Setanta?? What hoops should the queen jump through to make her worthy of visiting ROI?? Why are you comparing Mary McAleese with the queen?? Do you see their roles as identical and do you think the queen would have as much freedom to express her opinions as Mary does???
I'm just interested in the basics. You try and make things to complictated with to many references and comparisions. The Queen is the head of state of GB. I don't worship her or say any prayers for her but i respect her role and respect the sacrifices she makes in her role. I can accept your problems with the monarchy and its whole concept but surely you can accept that others differ from you??
I openly have said that Unionists must work with SF, we must try and work with what we have got and make the best of it. Many Unionists can't stand the idea of this and don't forget the role that SF played in the IRA war machine. I don't forget either but am big enough to accept that in order to move in we must give and take. Mary Mcaleese may well of done these things you speak of and fair play to her, she's also put her foot in it a few times but thats human nature. Would i afford her the right to visit my country.. absoloutely. Its like these fanatics kicking up a fuss if the pope wanted to visit NI. Again i would have no issues with a papal visit as it would be a great indicator of how much we have moved on.
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