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Post by bluedog on Aug 1, 2007 22:44:04 GMT
Deirdre Donnelly was heard to say she would'nt believe any of it until Mr Graham posted her some "links"to back up his claims ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jim on Aug 1, 2007 23:50:10 GMT
Jim that is a broad swipe, you know exactly why lennon got booed and then threatened, which BTW I condemn. What about Martin O'Neil? You make it sound as though when any Catholic plays for N.I or when the first Catholic played for them. There were Catholics before and after Lennon. What about rangers players who were booed by ROI supporters while playing for there country against the republic. Well your posts sound just as one sided as mine did. I've no love for the GAA, have no interest in the sport but a lot of these posts are tripe. |
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Post by Shades40 on Aug 2, 2007 1:31:58 GMT
According to the the BBC News and Talkback sectarianism is alive and"persistent"in the GAA.Darren Graham a Protestant from Fermanagh has been forced to give up GAA due to the persistent,his words,sectarian abuse he suffered during and at games.During the interview he said as a Protestant in the GAA he was a rarity but was annoyed at the continual sectarian taunts from other players and supporters.This had wore down his willingness to remain a GAA player. This is not really surprising for us Protestants,when a Protestant actually starts to play GAA as we are often told we should,the old sectarian mask slips.  .It would appear your sectarian sport does not want a Protestant about the place. The BBC Northern Ireland site shouuld satisfy your usual quest for links. My late father (a Protestant) often had a beer in the local GAA club and never had any trouble even when he had one to many and sang the sash at closing time, the majority of the members attended the service in our home and the burial. |
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Post by leeside on Aug 2, 2007 3:13:28 GMT
bLUEANGEL On the GAA Membership of the Association shall be granted only by a Club, to persons who subscribe to and undertake to further the aims and objects of the Gaelic Athletic Association, as stated in the Official Guide. The basic aim states: The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes. Rule 15 states: The National Flag should be displayed at all matches. Where the National Anthem precedes a game, teams must stand to attention facing the Flag in a respectful manner. Robert Kerr, speaking on behalf of one club, said since the GAA’s formation there had been an “association with nationalism and republicanism”. “Many of the clubs throughout Belfast and the country have been named after republicans,” he said. Or perhaps the Mairead Farrell Camogie tournament or the Michael McVerry cup. would help you realize their sectarian nature. The funny thing about rule 21 is that you can be a sectarian murderer, belong to a group that carries out sectarian murders, yet a policeman who tried to stop sectarain murders was not allowed to join. This speaks volumes to do with the sectarian GAA. The GAA president Nicky Brennan offically opened a new GAA field named in honour of the INLA terrorist and hunger striker, Kevin Lynch. Did the new president, the GAA clubs and members breached Rule 7A? Rule 7A states: “Non-Party Political (a) The Association shall be non-party political. Party political questions shall not be discussed at its meetings, and no Committee, Club, Council or representative thereof shall take part, as such, in any party political movement. A penalty of up to twenty four weeks suspension may be imposed for infringement.” cAN ANYONE SEE THE INCLUSIVENESS FOR Protestants here? Apart from grounds is there not fields and playing pitches named after terrorists? I dont see how those rules are inexclusive to Protestants. Inexclusive to unionists yes, but not inexclusive to Protestants. Protestantism and Unionism are not mutually exclusive. BTW, I hope the players who are guilty of making sectarian comments towards Mr Graham are brought to heed and dealt with harshly. Also, any club whos supporters are involved in such sectarian abuse should also be punished severely. In the same way UEFA punishes clubs for the racist behaviour of their fans. As regards the Kevin Lynch affair, I agree that its a total disgrace and the ground should be re-named. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Aug 2, 2007 6:50:41 GMT
Well it would appear from the above that you have carried out the Vaticans instructions with a vevegeance. If the above list of Sectarian and hatefilled venues is meant to reassure me that all is well in your Roman dominated State then things down there are much worse than even I suspected. I suppose your Sports are a mirror image of your Religion and a mirror image of your Politics. No room or place for anyone or anybody who is not Gael, Roman or Fenian.
The fact that even with your lies and deceit you can only get the Protestant population up to 4% speaks volumes as not even Republicans can lie their way out of that one. Whoopee, a full 4%, now that is something to be really proud off. That will enable you to puff your wee Irish chests out as you sing the Sectarian Soldier Song, you allowed a full 4% of them wee Proddie Heretics to reside among you, that makes you Cosmopolitan. A Catholic State for a Catholic people, apart from 4%, which in keeping with your benevolent nature you allowed to stay down here.
I for one don't believe for one minute that your State is Free, far from it, you are immersed in Bigotry and Superstition far worse than even I ever imagined. You are like something released from the 'dark ages'. The Roman Church has such a grip on Irish minds and consciences that only God Himself can Free you from the blindness and hatred which engulfs the vast majority of Irishmen and Irishwomen to this day. These websites have taught me many, many wonderful lessons and I have seen first hand what the Ulster people are up against as we fight to keep our Wee Country Free from Roman dominance. You are so brainwashed it is nearly unbelievable but then again we have a crowd of Fundamentalist's up here who are on a par with youse lot so I don't get too carried away with myself.
That you can even talk of others been sectarian after writing those passages is like a drunk man accusing the guy at the bar with a shandy of been an alcoholic.
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Post by Republic on Aug 2, 2007 12:18:18 GMT
The GAA is open to Protestants, but not unionists.
Can I ask some posters to stop mixing up the two?
I am not saying it is right, but the GAA's attitude problem is towards unionists, not protestants.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 2, 2007 16:45:12 GMT
I understand your point but in N.Ireland the vast majority of Protestants do not want a U.I, grounds are named after terrorists who inflicted much pain on the Protestant community etc so it is hardly surprizing that Protestants/Unionists in N.Ireland feel the way they do about the sectarian GAA.
Exactly I totally agree..
Now this is something a Unionist like myself welcomes because at least regardless of your politics you can also see that this is a disgrace instead of trying to brush it aside or make little of it etc.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 2, 2007 16:46:20 GMT
The GAA is open to Protestants, but not unionists. Can I ask some posters to stop mixing up the two? I am not saying it is right, but the GAA's attitude problem is towards unionists, not protestants. Republic try the GAA clubs in N.Ireland and you will see a big difference in what your opinion is. |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 2, 2007 16:50:02 GMT
Oh, Unionists can play if they chose just like a Nationalist can join a Loyalist (as opposed to an Orange) Flute Band, because there's no bar on who joins them. Makes it sound a very fair and welcoming thing to join, NOT. You know fine rightly what the GAA in N.Ireland represents which is openly acknowledged by GAA members/supporters in the R.O.I. Now that doesn't mean everyone connected to the gaa in N.I are tarred with the same brush, but there is a big difference between north and south of the border. Is there a bar on a Catholic joining an orange flute band?  Nice way you had to have your wee dig at orangeism. So could you please explain about the orange flute band etc? |
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Post by Republic on Aug 2, 2007 17:38:23 GMT
The GAA is open to Protestants, but not unionists. Can I ask some posters to stop mixing up the two? I am not saying it is right, but the GAA's attitude problem is towards unionists, not protestants. Republic try the GAA clubs in N.Ireland and you will see a big difference in what your opinion is. Why? Do they hate protestants? I would think it is because of unionism. I cannot imagine any such problems if it was a prtestant republican, but maybe I'm wrong. In any case, I think it is not so much the organisation as a whole that is wrong, but the mindset of some of its northern members. Which is pretty bigotted, from what I have heard. |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 2, 2007 18:08:31 GMT
Up here unfortunately the word Protestant equates orange bastard etc and vice versa. The gaa in the north is very much associated with republicans, fields, grounds etc named after terrorists who inflicted much suffering on the Protestant community. The automatic response to a Protestant is usually sectarian. While not by all members or supporters it is still done openly by many. Many of those who support the gaa have a hatred for N.I Protestants which I would be surprized if anyone denied. Republican commemorations and honouring terrorists hardly shows much love for Protestant neighbours.
It is very much bigotted and as you will have seen I did distinguish between north and south of the border.
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Post by blueman on Aug 2, 2007 20:41:00 GMT
Interesting to note that Darren Graham said that he was the ONLY Protestant who played the sport in Fermanagh. One Protestant out of a County that size, now that is a suprise, not. It certainly doesn't come as any suprise to me and it is a down right disgrace that a sporting body so bigoted and sectarian should be allowed any grants from the Government. It is also a disgrace that the likes of Coca Coala, Lucozade and Kellog's should promote and sponser such a nakedly sectarian bunch like the GAA.
I can't understand for the life of me how the fellow played with them as they promote and glorify the murderers that butchered his father and two uncles. It is also interesting to note that he was abused by both players and supporters but given the 'fact' that some GAA grounds are named after Republican murderers it is hardly suprising is it. Imagine the outcry if there was a stand at Windsor called 'The Michael Stone Stand' or the 'Mad Dog Adair Suite'. The Fenians would be squealing like pigs but these Irish Republicans/Nationalists are allowed to glorify mass murderers and no-one raises an objection. Unbelievable hypocrisy but given their warped and twisted logic I for one am not in the least suprised.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 2, 2007 23:41:56 GMT
Blueman has posted exactly how Unionists feel to do with the gaa in N.Ireland. If it was the other way around the outcry would be heard for years to come. Infact enquiry after enquiry would be called. Remember the scandal involving Gascoine pretending to play the flute??? Imagine it was a sport with grounds named after terrorists etc, what an insult to the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist community. But then again let's brush it aside and focus on the OO or windsor park etc.
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Post by Jim on Aug 2, 2007 23:54:46 GMT
I read in the Irish news today about it all and the Irish news is very supportive of the GAA but obviously it condemned the secterianism. It was interesting to hear he hasnt filed an official complaint to the GAA to get the ball rolling. I and many other nationalists and republicans no doubt support him in helping cut this shite out of the GAA and he's doing a good job of highlighting it in my opinion. He said he wants to return to the game but will only do so when he sees work being done on combatting secterianism.
The trouble with the GAA is that its predominantly played by the catholic community whereas other sports like football are supported equally so there are more calls for a fight in secterianism for those sports and its wrong as people like Darran Graham are the ones getting the unheard of abuse.
Unfortunately, people like blueman will use any excuse to make attacks on the nationalist community no matter the issue. You dont really give a shit about the GAA, do you? Its just more fuel for the fire for you.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 3, 2007 22:26:48 GMT
Are there orange flute bands where all members of the band are members of the OO??? What about children holding the strings of the banners, these are orange banners belonging to an Orange lodge, do you think Catholic children could do this?
NO definately not. The gaa in the republic may have some Portestants playing for them, but a token few in the North suggests otherwise along with the names of grounds, attitude of some if not most players along with some of the fans.
Again I do not doubt that the gaa in the republic is different from the north although some may have the same mindset.
I do appreciate the invite, I know I would be made feel welcome by yourself etc but I couldn't bring myself to go as things stand. When it becomes a real sporting body for all and welcoming to all in the North I will go aslong as when I cheer on Derry I can shout "come on Londonderry you can do it". ;D
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.It would appear your sectarian sport does not want a Protestant about the place.
Nice way you had to have your wee dig at orangeism. So could you please explain about the orange flute band etc?