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Post by Harry on May 14, 2008 16:05:54 GMT
What do we make of this?? Bangor back in there even though they finished 3rd in Div 1??
Ballymena 2nd in the league ratings. Donegal Celtic excluded and Portadown??
All a little mad to me.
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Post by earl on May 14, 2008 16:12:44 GMT
I breifly heard something about this on the BBC this morning. Donegal Celtic said that it's the end of their club if this goes through.
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Post by Bilk on May 14, 2008 19:04:10 GMT
What do we make of this?? Bangor back in there even though they finished 3rd in Div 1?? Ballymena 2nd in the league ratings. Donegal Celtic excluded and Portadown?? All a little mad to me. I don't understand the thinking here  |
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Post by Wasp on May 14, 2008 23:06:25 GMT
I don't understand it either, Portadown were late with there application and DC are errrr Catholic. Nah only joking, hopefully more will come out in the next few days to explain.
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Post by Harry on May 15, 2008 14:24:10 GMT
A point system with varying criteria i think was used. Alot to do with your ground and facilities. Also youth setup etc. Where you finsihed in the league also gave you so many points.
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 18:39:13 GMT
Oh I'm sure the people involved skewed the points system to get the teams they wanted in. Much the same as eufa in the chapions league and the eufa cup. We finish up with four money spinning English teams in the champions league, and 5 would you believe in the in the eufa cup. And the skullduggery continued to get the other half of Manchester in at the expense of Blackburn. Almost half the English premiereship finish up playing in one or other of the eufa trophies. Oh what about the lovely one they did last year to get 5 teams in the Champions League, bending the rules to let Liverpool in. I'm sure these choices were made along similar lines.
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Post by Jim on May 15, 2008 18:54:35 GMT
Fuck Blackburn, we are getting in because we show respect for the game. If Blackburn want to get in through the premier league then they may pull the finger out next season and do what Everton done, they've won the league before afterall.
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 21:19:37 GMT
Fuck Blackburn, we are getting in because we show respect for the game. If Blackburn want to get in through the premier league then they may pull the finger out next season and do what Everton done, they've won the league before afterall. um what? I thought the next four in the league (after the four who had qualified for the Champions League) went through to the eufa cup? So if a 5th place comes up shouldn't it go the next team in the league, not the one whose supporters will spend more money than that team. As I said on another thread, they came up with an equasion that would baffle a mathamatition to perform this piece of skullduggery, and you think it's ok because it's your team who benifited. Typical of thoose today who support this money making machine, don't matter how we get there as long as we do. I hope you get the shit hammered out of you in the first round, in fact I hope all the premiereship teams do, but it's unlikely because they will probably go out and buy the best players in the world in the summer to see that they don't. But that's ok too. |
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Post by Jim on May 15, 2008 23:12:53 GMT
Why should Blackburn get it?
United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool= Champions league 08/09
United or Chelsea= CL winners 07/08
This opens a spot for UEFA, which Villa will get.
Blackburn will probably get the Intertoto cup spot.
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Post by Harry on May 16, 2008 6:48:47 GMT
Oh I'm sure the people involved skewed the points system to get the teams they wanted in. Much the same as eufa in the chapions league and the eufa cup. We finish up with four money spinning English teams in the champions league, and 5 would you believe in the in the eufa cup. And the skullduggery continued to get the other half of Manchester in at the expense of Blackburn. Almost half the English premiereship finish up playing in one or other of the eufa trophies. Oh what about the lovely one they did last year to get 5 teams in the Champions League, bending the rules to let Liverpool in. I'm sure these choices were made along similar lines. I assume your are talking about when Liverpool won the European cup?? Then finished outside the top 4. What kind of comp would it be if the defending champions weren't in it?? You will find Bilk that from this strange scenario, UEFA have changed the rules so if it ever happened again then the team finishing 4th would lose their place. They hadn't compensated that this could ever happen so had no ruling on it so were forced to alter for that year only. They did make the champions start in the qualifying rounds. |
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 16, 2008 13:03:46 GMT
I have been reading various newspaper reports on this and talking to DC club members, as this club is very close by. The IFA have made a mess of this and while I think the view of Bilk is true, the IFA leave themselves open to the charges of sectarianism, and gerrymandering the criteria to suit some and disadvantage others.
Last year DC had 610 points. But when rankings were released on Tuesday night DC had 543 points. Where had the other points gone? You are not deducted points for any reason!!
This year DC finished a commendable 11th in the Premier League (I think it was their debut year and everyone knows the first year is about survival to allow the team to build), reached the semi-finals of the Irish Cup but only received 20 points for this achievement. Bangor have not played in senior football in 12yrs and finished 3rd in the First Division. DC only got into the Premier League after a court case was looming against the IFA and before it got to court the IFA waved them in.
There is six criteria categories;
Success on the Field.
Finance
Personnel
Business Planning
Attendances
Infrastructure
But after you cut away all waffle the only criteria that matters is 'Infrastructure' = your facilities. The rest was gerrymandered to suit.
DC reserves won the Irish League last week, points = 0, For every youth team you can claim 10 points per team, DC have youth teams at every level from U10 - U18, and in most age groups they have more than one team, but here is the gerrymandering bit, you can only claim up to a maxium of 30 points, so there is no gain in criteria for having more than 3 teams. So DC got 30 points.
For each UEFA-qualified coach you can get points, 5 points per coach. Each of DC's youth teams have a UEFA coach, but here is the gerrymandering bit, you can only claim a maximum of 10 points. So any more than two coaches is of no advantage in the criteria.
You can get up to 60 points for floodlights under the criteria, which makes floodlights more important than coaching hundreds of children soccer in a GAA heartland.
Under the criteria you can get a whopping 450 points for a new covered stand and all the trappings. So what goes on off the pitch is more important than what goes on on the pitch. As a GAA person I can attest to changing on many a sideline at all ages, get the youth out is the important thing. From that other things flow. But what rankles some of the DC club members is that DC has £800,000 sitting in a NI Sports Council bank to build a new covered in stand with all the trappings. But this money could not be released until the IFA downsized as agreed by government. So by IFA dithering DC were gerrymandered out of another possible 450 points.
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Post by Harry on May 16, 2008 15:50:04 GMT
Interesting points AFD.
I'm 100% behind DC being in the league. Its a mockery that a team who finished 4th in Div 1 should be there but DC are not.
Sorry to be lazy AFD but have you any links or stuff where i could have a look at how the league was decided??
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 16, 2008 16:49:42 GMT
Sorry picked all those points from the Irish News papers today and yesterday, and I think their site is subs, but 'Newshound' sometimes does free links to some stories but only the top stories. So not much help.
I know that since DC gained premier status the youth have flocked to them. Previously they were a backwater affair. Recently they were in talks with a developer about a mini 'Odyssey' with them in a role similar to the 'Giants'. The committee fall over themselves to be accepted by local soccers big wigs which overtures seems to be abused and spurned in a whimsical manner. I have a mate on the DC committee and he is totally gutted and demoralised. It might mean the end of the IFA if DC and Portadown decide to go south.
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Post by Harry on May 16, 2008 17:02:22 GMT
Sorry picked all those points from the Irish News papers today and yesterday, and I think their site is subs, but 'Newshound' sometimes does free links to some stories but only the top stories. So not much help. I know that since DC gained premier status the youth have flocked to them. Previously they were a backwater affair. Recently they were in talks with a developer about a mini 'Odyssey' with them in a role similar to the 'Giants'. The committee fall over themselves to be accepted by local soccers big wigs which overtures seems to be abused and spurned in a whimsical manner. I have a mate on the DC committee and he is totally gutted and demoralised. It might mean the end of the IFA if DC and Portadown decide to go south. Cheers mate, It stinks to me. I don't really understand what the IFA are trying to acheive or what their aims of this revamp are. I understand about UEFA licenses etc but DC should be helped to get things up to standard as i have no doubt of the high profile they have within their community. As you have said money was held back from DC and this needs to be addressed. |
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Post by Jim on May 16, 2008 17:27:33 GMT
Surely UEFA would step in about this as they've stepped in before for unfair rulings by associations? For example, the English FA wasn't going to nominate Cardiff for UEFA cup if they win on Saturday and UEFA told them to go fuck themselves and if Cardiff win, they are in.
I don't know about the high profile though, west belfast is fairly split between cliftonville and dc. I support cliftonville meself.
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