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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 6, 2008 17:29:49 GMT
I think the answer to this question is very simple and that is fuck right of, you have your irish team so stop your whinging, we are more then happy with our team in northern ireland, they may not ever be the worlds greatest team but is winning the be all and end all of everything, national pride in our team is at a all time high, and Northern Irish football games have some of the best atmospheres of any football game. When it comes to Rugby i would never support the Irish rugby team and the reasons why well the clues in the name. same goes for an irish football team who no doubt would be mostly full of irish footballers who when the play in the RoI will have to stand for the soldiers song but when they play in NI they would have to invent so crap song like irelands call since they would'nt be allowed to play God Save the Queen.
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Post by Jim on Apr 6, 2008 22:57:21 GMT
I think the answer to this question is very simple and that is fuck right of, you have your irish team so stop your whinging, we are more then happy with our team in northern ireland, they may not ever be the worlds greatest team but is winning the be all and end all of everything, national pride in our team is at a all time high, and Northern Irish football games have some of the best atmospheres of any football game. When it comes to Rugby i would never support the Irish rugby team and the reasons why well the clues in the name. same goes for an irish football team who no doubt would be mostly full of irish footballers who when the play in the RoI will have to stand for the soldiers song but when they play in NI they would have to invent so crap song like irelands call since they would'nt be allowed to play God Save the Queen. Really? I think the answer is very simple, and that your decision means fuck all, its highly ignorant. So fuck right off with that eh? You fail to even grasp the basics of the argument. |
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Post by earl on Apr 7, 2008 10:26:22 GMT
I think the answer to this question is very simple and that is fuck right of, you have your irish team so stop your whinging, we are more then happy with our team in northern ireland, they may not ever be the worlds greatest team but is winning the be all and end all of everything, national pride in our team is at a all time high, and Northern Irish football games have some of the best atmospheres of any football game. When it comes to Rugby i would never support the Irish rugby team and the reasons why well the clues in the name. same goes for an irish football team who no doubt would be mostly full of irish footballers who when the play in the RoI will have to stand for the soldiers song but when they play in NI they would have to invent so crap song like irelands call since they would'nt be allowed to play God Save the Queen. I think you'll find that the article, on which this thread is based, has a number of NI former players asking the question. In essence, you've just told the spirit of Georgie Best to "fcuk right off". |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 7, 2008 15:45:57 GMT
People with similar thinking as the late George Best can in my opinion fuck off with thier thoughts. It won't happen.
Just stick with the ROI and their league and we will stick with our league.
BTW even though the all Ireland rugby team was formed under British rule etc I am totally against all Ireland sporitng teams, 2 different countries so it should be two different teams.
The spirit of the N.I supporters and club are at an all time high, the atmosphere is electric and heel would freeze over before an all Ireland team would happen.
No point even talking about this as it simply won't happen.
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Post by Harry on Apr 7, 2008 15:57:08 GMT
I'd object to a UK team just as much as i would an 'all ireland' team. I don't want to support a team of englishmen or scots or welsh. I support a team of N.Irish men and i'm very happy to do it. Jim has raised a few backs with the intent in his post that we are only against it because its an all ireland team which isn't the case. So what if best wanted it or celtic boy martin o'neill. The supporters don't want it. FFS leave us alone. You want every damn thing. I know your team is pure shite and your support, while bigger than ours they can't create the atmosphere we do but you truly have the green eyed monster. Leave our wee countrys team to its own devices. We are grand without you and don't want any involvement from anyone outside our great wee country. No Offence.  Its nothing to do with Ireland or UK. Its football. Plain and simple |
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Post by earl on Apr 7, 2008 16:10:23 GMT
I'd object to a UK team just as much as i would an 'all ireland' team. I don't want to support a team of englishmen or scots or welsh. I support a team of N.Irish men and i'm very happy to do it. Jim has raised a few backs with the intent in his post that we are only against it because its an all ireland team which isn't the case. So what if best wanted it or celtic boy martin o'neill. The supporters don't want it. FFS leave us alone. You want every damn thing. I know your team is pure shite and your support, while bigger than ours they can't create the atmosphere we do but you truly have the green eyed monster. Leave our wee countrys team to its own devices. We are grand without you and don't want any involvement from anyone outside our great wee country. No Offence. Its nothing to do with Ireland or UK. Its football. Plain and simple Ah go on Harry, you know you want to! ;D Personally, I don't really care either way. All-Ireland, great, if not, I'll live. Can't wait to see Trap Attack's team in action. |
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Post by Jim on Apr 7, 2008 17:33:30 GMT
I'd object to a UK team just as much as i would an 'all ireland' team. I don't want to support a team of englishmen or scots or welsh. I support a team of N.Irish men and i'm very happy to do it. Jim has raised a few backs with the intent in his post that we are only against it because its an all ireland team which isn't the case. So what if best wanted it or celtic boy martin o'neill. The supporters don't want it. FFS leave us alone. You want every damn thing. I know your team is pure shite and your support, while bigger than ours they can't create the atmosphere we do but you truly have the green eyed monster. Leave our wee countrys team to its own devices. We are grand without you and don't want any involvement from anyone outside our great wee country. No Offence. Its nothing to do with Ireland or UK. Its football. Plain and simple If its football then listen to the footballers. You and Wilderness took for granted that I should be supporting the Republic when I actually support the North more, guess I'm wrong to want to see my island do better and make itself known instead of being fodder for better teams, shock horror. Your wee country doesnt want to know, it clearly is about politics with you, not football. With that attitude it'll get fucking no where, but youll still your have your wee country, wont you  load of bollocks |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 7, 2008 20:01:56 GMT
Jim we do have our wee country and why does it have to be so political because we are so proud of and support our wee country. For all the size of it we have a great fan base which was voted the best in Europe.
From the article itself
'Northern Ireland international football fans have been officially crowned the best football supporters in Europe after winning the prestigious, EU and UEFA endorsed, Brussels International Supporters Award 2006!...................'Jonathon Hill from UEFA stated: “The work Jim Rainey and the Northern Ireland Fans carry out to tackle sectarianism embodies the spirit of the award. Their Football For All campaign is a shining example to all Supporters around the world of how fans can coordinate their efforts to create a more fun, passionate and inclusive atmosphere throughout football”.
We have a great team which through the years has brought shock results and brilliant displays. Why would we and why should we give up what we are so proud of to join an all Ireland side?
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Post by earl on Apr 7, 2008 20:56:21 GMT
Hamilton: Time is right for an All-Ireland team
Former Ipswich and Northern Ireland forward Bryan Hamilton is adamant that a united Irish team could only be of benefit to the game on this island.
It comes 35 years after an All-Ireland soccer side took on Brazil in Lansdowne Road.
Hamilton - who managed Northern Ireland for four years in the mid-nineties - was reflecting on the 1973 friendly between Brazil and a Shamrock Rovers XI comprised of distinguished players from both sides of the border, notably Johnny Giles and Pat Jennings.
The Brazilians shaded the game 4-3 but the impact and positivity of the occasion has had a lasting impact on Hamilton, who believes the time is right for the IFA and FAI to put past differences aside.
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Post by Jim on Apr 7, 2008 21:30:47 GMT
Jim we do have our wee country and why does it have to be so political because we are so proud of and support our wee country. For all the size of it we have a great fan base which was voted the best in Europe. From the article itself 'Northern Ireland international football fans have been officially crowned the best football supporters in Europe after winning the prestigious, EU and UEFA endorsed, Brussels International Supporters Award 2006!...................'Jonathon Hill from UEFA stated: “The work Jim Rainey and the Northern Ireland Fans carry out to tackle sectarianism embodies the spirit of the award. Their Football For All campaign is a shining example to all Supporters around the world of how fans can coordinate their efforts to create a more fun, passionate and inclusive atmosphere throughout football”. We have a great team which through the years has brought shock results and brilliant displays. Why would we and why should we give up what we are so proud of to join an all Ireland side? Its so political for the same reasons you politicise the rugby team. I have the same grieviances with NI football as you do with the Irish rugby team, and neither Rugby or the IFA has done anything about grieviances we have. How would you be giving up? You're proud of it because its your flag, your anthem, your team, and then we hear this bollocks about wanting more nationalist fans and wondering why people on the falls wear republic of ireland tops and why nationalist footballers are going to the FAI instead. Same grieviances as you have with Rugby. What is there to make me proud of your wee country? |
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Post by Harry on Apr 8, 2008 7:13:17 GMT
I'd object to a UK team just as much as i would an 'all ireland' team. I don't want to support a team of englishmen or scots or welsh. I support a team of N.Irish men and i'm very happy to do it. Jim has raised a few backs with the intent in his post that we are only against it because its an all ireland team which isn't the case. So what if best wanted it or celtic boy martin o'neill. The supporters don't want it. FFS leave us alone. You want every damn thing. I know your team is pure shite and your support, while bigger than ours they can't create the atmosphere we do but you truly have the green eyed monster. Leave our wee countrys team to its own devices. We are grand without you and don't want any involvement from anyone outside our great wee country. No Offence. Its nothing to do with Ireland or UK. Its football. Plain and simple If its football then listen to the footballers. You and Wilderness took for granted that I should be supporting the Republic when I actually support the North more, guess I'm wrong to want to see my island do better and make itself known instead of being fodder for better teams, shock horror. Your wee country doesnt want to know, it clearly is about politics with you, not football. With that attitude it'll get fucking no where, but youll still your have your wee country, wont you load of bollocks OK i've re-read this thread 3 times and nowhere can i find any reference from myself or any intent that i indicated anything about which football team you should support. Please show me where i did this?? Listen to the footballers?? So a few ex players have their opinions and i should listen to them?? I HAVE listened to them and i think they are completely off the mark and wrong. Where is it clearly about Politics Jim??? What don't you understand about me wanting to support a team of N.Irish men?? I have the same problems with a UK team as i do with an all ireland team so please again show me where this is political?? Our wee country Jim, is also your wee country, if thats what you want. If your allegiances don't lie with NI then i wouldn't tell you it should. Your a free man with the ability to choose and i certainly have no interest in dictating to you. Fodder for better teams?? Do you watch any international football?? We have been holding our own of late and have put England, Sweeden, Spain, Denmark to name a few to the sword in Belfast recently. This is hardly being fodder. On a completely football perspective, why the hell would we be any better if we had a UI team?? Please explain?? I don't think we could create anything other than an extremely ordinary team if we merged so no point trying to make out otherwise!!! Who would ROI want from our team?? I'd take Robbie Keane happily. |
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Post by Harry on Apr 8, 2008 12:27:24 GMT
If I remember correctly, when we spoke about qualifying for tournaments before we bet a steak dinner? Did you qualify? we'd take Healy! and the rest can feck off! Yeah your owed a steak. But you have hit the nail on the head. Barring Healy, who else would be wanted from NI??? I'm not naive, i know that we have a team of average players barring maybe 3 but we play as a team. |
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Post by Jim on Apr 8, 2008 18:47:03 GMT
If its football then listen to the footballers. You and Wilderness took for granted that I should be supporting the Republic when I actually support the North more, guess I'm wrong to want to see my island do better and make itself known instead of being fodder for better teams, shock horror. Your wee country doesnt want to know, it clearly is about politics with you, not football. With that attitude it'll get fucking no where, but youll still your have your wee country, wont you load of bollocks OK i've re-read this thread 3 times and nowhere can i find any reference from myself or any intent that i indicated anything about which football team you should support. Please show me where i did this?? Listen to the footballers?? So a few ex players have their opinions and i should listen to them?? I HAVE listened to them and i think they are completely off the mark and wrong. Where is it clearly about Politics Jim??? What don't you understand about me wanting to support a team of N.Irish men?? I have the same problems with a UK team as i do with an all ireland team so please again show me where this is political?? Our wee country Jim, is also your wee country, if thats what you want. If your allegiances don't lie with NI then i wouldn't tell you it should. Your a free man with the ability to choose and i certainly have no interest in dictating to you. Fodder for better teams?? Do you watch any international football?? We have been holding our own of late and have put England, Sweeden, Spain, Denmark to name a few to the sword in Belfast recently. This is hardly being fodder. On a completely football perspective, why the hell would we be any better if we had a UI team?? Please explain?? I don't think we could create anything other than an extremely ordinary team if we merged so no point trying to make out otherwise!!! Who would ROI want from our team?? I'd take Robbie Keane happily. [/u] alone. You want every damn thing. I know your team is pure shite and your support, while bigger than ours they can't create the atmosphere we do but you truly have the green eyed monster.[/quote] So lets be honest here, from the very start NI is considered your team, the protestant unionist loyalist northern ireland 6 county british team, and the ROI is considered "my" time, as in the southern nationalist tricolour waving republic of ireland team. What is the point in that? It creates more divisions, more pointless threats, more pointless objections, more arguments, and footballwise we are stuck with an island of 7 million with two teams, its a fucking joke, and then we have the IFA complaining that the FAI is taking wee northerners to play for their team and whinging to FIFA when players dont want to play for NI. Is it really worth the fucking effort in the end? You can't compare a UK team to an all-Ireland team, the UK was the founder of football associations so its always been different, the IFA was originally an Irish team, made up from all of Ireland, not a poxy 6 county NI. Its not about dictating, its about the very attitude of what NI supporters have shown, they've no intention of wanting a taig about the place - how am I suppose to go to windsor park and stand to GSTQ and the union jack and the old stormont flag and just accept it, you wouldn't if you were in my shoes - we will hear a few stories about some token catholics enjoying an NI game but in reality its a team for one set of people and it needs to change, there should be one team representing the entire island, no soldiers song, no gstq, no tricolour, no union jack, just football, and learning from the mistakes rugby has made with anthems and flags and alienating some people. I watch every NI football match, we've put England down once in years and it was a big deal; we should be doing that to every team home and away. Why would it not be better? We would have a bigger lot of people to make a team from, taking players from the FAI and IFA and making it the one team, players that have premier league first team experience, and we wouldnt have good players going to one or the other for political and national reasons. Both teams have good players so why seperate what could work? Kyle Lafferty, young lad, loads of potential internationally, Healy, nothing else needs to be said, Richard Dunne, one of the best defenders in the premier league, Robbie Keane, great player, John O'Shea even if he is a rag, Aiden McGeady, Jonny Evans, could go on. Biggest complain I ever hear from NI supporters when against an all ireland team (or rugby team) is that there are more players from the south. Does it not have anything to do with the south having 5 times the population? Means nothing when we have players with skill, doesnt matter if they come from Enniskillen or Cork. You want to watch N-Irish men, I just want to watch anyone from this island. |
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Post by Bilk on Apr 8, 2008 19:21:59 GMT
I have objections that are semi political, but not in the sense of the usual green and orange political. My objections are the same as those for a British national side. Few if any players from N. Ireland would ever get on an all Ireland team. If proof were needed we only need look back to when Ulster were wiping the floor with the whole of Europe at rugby. Only a few token players from here ever got to play for Ireland. Despite Ulster dominating the provincial title for umpteen years in a row, and going on to win rugby's version of the European championships.
The FA would be based in Dublin as the RFU is, and they are a biased bunch in that part of the world. Disagree if you like but it's true. You would have to at least be in the caliber of George Best to be even sonsidered.
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Post by Bilk on Apr 8, 2008 19:54:03 GMT
I have just reread this whole thread, I have seen a lot of "Why should I support a N. Ireland team?". Well the answer is simple, could it be because it's the land of your birth, your national team? None of the people up the Falls wearing ROI tops were born in the ROI it is not their team. Who is it that is being sectarian in this situation? The Northern Irish because they want to support a team from their country and have no interest in supprting a team from a foreign country. Or those who cling to a team from a foreign country because they are so politically biased they cannot bring themselves to support the team from their birthplace? Who among us in that situation, are the bigoted and biased supporters. No one I know of in N. Ireland supports England, in fact they hate them. That's football, what the the RoI top wearing wankers up the Falls are doing is A-political in the extreme.
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load of bollocks