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Post by Wasp on Apr 26, 2008 20:35:06 GMT
As I have said before Ruane along with others usually do a comedy hour on radio Ulster in the morning. But this maybe isn't so funny afterall. I have listened to republicans on here bleat on about sf being a working class party and doing there best for the working class etc etc.
Now I ask you all what is the most imortant, helping poor children or stopping helping them to fund a topic which some find provocative? I will let you decide for yourselves.
Ruane faces more flak for cutting breakfast for poor children.
BELEAGURED Education Minister Caitriona Ruane was last night the focus of fresh criticism after she cut funding to scores of Ulster's most deprived schools – while continuing to find money for Irish translation.
The Sinn Fein minister said she hadn't been given enough money to fund the extended schools project – a programme which provides breakfasts for children from poor families and after school homework clubs.
Ms Ruane has been asked why she was askingADVERTISEMENTfor more money while at the same time paying to have every Assembly answer translated into Irish – even to MLAs she knows do not understand the language.
UUP Education Committee member Basil McCrea – who has been approached by concerned head teachers about the cuts – said Ms Ruane should resign as she was "out of her depth" running the department.
"The minister continually refers to her desire to tackle deprived areas, yet despite finding the funds for pet projects such as translating Assembly answers into Irish, we are supposed to believe she cannot find money for poor children to get breakfasts," he said.
"Why did she not ask for more funding at the same time as Michael McGimpsey and Margaret Richie during budget negotiations?"
"The minister is fixated with one thing and one thing only – academic criteria.
"She needs to go now as she is hopelessly out of her depth, unable to understand the complexities of her brief and has failed to honour her commitments to the hard-pressed primary sector."
A Spokesman for the Department of Education said that Ms Ruane did not want to cut funding to the schools from £10 million to £6 million and had written to Finance Minister Peter Robinson asking for more money.
A spokesman for the Department of Finance said Ms Ruane had signed the budget and it was too late now to complain about a lack of money.
He added that it was Ms Ruane's responsibility to make the tough choices about how to spend her budget of almost £2 billion and said it was impossible to give her more money without taking it from elsewhere.
So there you have it, ruane the twat sees funding every assembly answer into Irish as more important than feeding poor kids, and lets not forget it is a language that many do not even understand.
So much for helping the needy within the working class. She should be totally ashamed of herself, but at least we all know now where her priorities lie and that is with the disputed Irsih language translation rather than feeding poor kids.
She should resign with immediate effect. Selfish bitch.
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Post by Bilk on Apr 28, 2008 11:38:38 GMT
This is only the latest of her problems. Her decision to do away with the 11+ examinations is being challenged by the very people she thought it would help. She is being opposed by, of all schools, a Catholic mantained school in Derry. They are going to have their own entrance examination if she goes ahead with the abolition of the 11+. Maybe this wasn't the British institution she thought it was?
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Post by earl on Apr 28, 2008 12:28:55 GMT
Can anyone explain the 11+ to me, and if possible, it's southern equivalent?
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Post by Jim on Apr 28, 2008 13:04:19 GMT
This is only the latest of her problems. Her decision to do away with the 11+ examinations is being challenged by the very people she thought it would help. She is being opposed by, of all schools, a Catholic mantained school in Derry. They are going to have their own entrance examination if she goes ahead with the abolition of the 11+. Maybe this wasn't the British institution she thought it was? Just because its catholic doesnt mean it will automatically agree with her. |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 28, 2008 14:02:05 GMT
WASP, do you have any links on this. Shite state of affairs. ffs sake setanta do you believe nothing without a link to it? Is it not blatantly obvious that I copied and pasted the article? She is an absolute twat and not only on this and the 11+, wasn't she the very one who had classroom assistants out on strike? It doesn't matter a fuck what party she belongs to, the end result and opinoin is still the same. She is putting extra burden on the poor and their children while continuing financing the bottom of the list priorities like Irish language funding. SF claim to be for the working class, aiding those who are poor etc, but this proves like I said where her and her parties list of priorities are and poor children and there families are not even on the scale to do with this. Setanta why is the 11+ elitist? If you mean only well off kids get to grammar school and not poor or working class kids then you are talking absolute shite. |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 28, 2008 14:29:24 GMT
Setanta everytime a Unionist says anything negative about sf etc then you want links to back it up and if you don't get them then they are not true. Remember the history Ireland article that you ridiculed me about along with others? Thats where my 'aggression' is coming form but it is more from frustration than anything else. I would say the newsletter along with those who spoke on it would be a very reliable source, it is not an opinion it is fact.
It is true and it is worse than bad, it is downright fucking disgusting and that would go for anyone or anyparty that done this NOT just because it is sf.
Ok on the agression, I apologize, just a bad day. Setanta that is not true for the many schools that I know. Grammar schools even take in an amount of children that failed the 11+. So I have never known anyone to ahve passed the 11+ but failed to get into a grammar school, but I do know children who have failed and were still able to get into a grammar school. The doing away with the 11+ IMO is a big mistake unless they replace it with something similar.
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Post by Wasp on Apr 28, 2008 15:21:24 GMT
Setanta the article did come from a bbc website but as you will know these articles come and go, they don't always remain on that particular site. So you are completely wrong in assuming that it didn't because it did. Perhaps you could email them with the article and ask for them to send it to you?
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Post by Wasp on Apr 28, 2008 15:23:02 GMT
BTW on an added note a link soes not necessarily mean fact. Why did you say as well that the article didn't come from the bbc? Was it simply because you could not find it?
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Post by Wasp on Apr 28, 2008 20:30:46 GMT
So because you couldn't find it then it was not from the bbc website??? Ridiculous thinking.
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2008 0:26:30 GMT
WASP.
you are working class, aren't you? You are just like me and my family, you work for what you own, you take pride in your class, you know how you are and what you rank as in society, you where not one to be admitted to oxbridge because of how much money you had and you are not a social elite.
So, why do you support the 11+? Why do you support kids from working class backgrounds being given shit education because they couldnt pass an exam that they arent mentalily ready for?
I failed my 11+, I got a D, and I'm at university doing a degree in politics, why is the 11+ neccessary to the education of the future generation? Its nothing but a farse and any party that brings an end to it will get my support in that area.
Can you picture any son or daugher of yours being rejected from a school at 12 and being branded a failure from then on because they got 1% lower than expected in science? Feck off. I'm sure you would be raging at any of your kids being called a failure.
Or wose yet, if they had rightfully of passed but didnt meet the social criterea to pass. Only some pupils pass officially, there are percentages of qualifications that need to be met, a lot of pupils who have rightfully passed are given D's. Why?
To promote a social elite. And it can fuck right off. Anyone who supports it supports calling an 11 year old a failure at life. Fuck academic selection, its a load of fucking tripe and has no bearings on anyone at being a person.
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Post by Wasp on Apr 29, 2008 18:11:25 GMT
I am very proud of my roots, proud of who I am and what I have worked for, but I admire many of those people who have worked dam hard and it paid off for them where they caN AFFORD THE LUXURIES THAT MANY OF US DESIRE.
Jim that is simply a lie mate. I went to 2 different grammar schools and out of a class of over 30 there was about 1 or 2 that you would say were middle to upper class, the majority were working class and the rest working to middle class. I have nieces and nephews that go to various grammar schools and only one of them comes from what I would class a middle class background, the rest working class.
I know a number of people who failed there 11+, some transferred to grammar school in 3rd year and some didn't. These same people went on to uni, some as mature students and some the same age as anyone else, just like yourself. When you goto grammar school the brightest goto the top classes, those who are less bright goto easier classes where the workload is alot easier. It is an absolutely brilliant system bbut like anything else there is room for improvement.
The word failure is no longer used, if you had kids yourself going through or that went through the 11+ you would know that the word fail is not used and not allowed to be used in anyway. Kids have failed the 11+ because of nothing other than nerves and these kids were perhaps top of there class.
You tell me what you mean by kids that passed got failed because they did not meet the social criteria. TBH this is no more than scare mongering because in all my life I have never ever heard such crap fromthe many grammar schools that I know and I have known plenty of working class kids including many of my friends that attended grammar schools. Also Jim many grammar schools take in a certain amount of those who did not get the required grade, my nephew was one of 28 children last year who gained entry to the same grammar school.
What you are saying is bullshit here Jim. BTW Ruanne for example lives in Louth, what school does her kids goto???
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Post by Wasp on Apr 29, 2008 18:14:22 GMT
This is the first time I have seen you suggest a title change, most threads as you know don't stay on topic, so if you want an 11+ only topic then create one as the name of this topic should stay.
The article is about 1 to 2 years old for starters and I assure you it was from the bbc.
Is it true about where Ruanne sends her kids??
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2008 19:22:37 GMT
There are grammar schools and there are grammar schools, the more elite of them are much much much better than a shite hole like the ones in west belfast. Can tell you now that the better schools are not full of working class kids. My brother failed his 11+ and was rejected from 3 posher schools and ended up going to one that is notorious for being wild, no doubt "Andersonstown" would have put them off ontop of his failure at the exam.
Its not a brilliant system mate, its a system that lets a small number do more than others, education isnt just about maths and science but about learning and figuring out what you follow and schools dont cater to that, they would rather drill the times tables into your head than learn you how to think independantly. The 11+ just backs that up. Secondary school for me was absolutely useless I would guarantee if I had of skipped it I would still know what I know today.
The word failure is no longer used but its still a failure if you get a D on an exam that some adults probably wouldn't pass. Its not right, selections do happen and there are a lot of kids that rightfully passed but there simply wasnt enough As Bs and Cs to hand out, so its not even an effective method of assessment.
I don't know where Ruanne sends her kids, its not my business.
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Post by Wasp on Apr 29, 2008 20:35:32 GMT
I hope you do.
No I did not, this is wrong again setanta and again you are accusing me in the wrong. Re-read the posts and you will see who assured you. I worte "Now could you answer ****** question in his previous post about the words of the song etc? "
I have loads of things from a good while back, some links are dead now but luckily I documented quite a bit of stuff. If memory serves me correctly it was my son who done it for history.
could you explain what a gaelscoil is and where it is at?
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2008 21:03:49 GMT
a gaelscoil is a school that teaches in irish.
i went through gaelscoils from nursary to secondary.
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