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Post by Wasp on Sept 7, 2007 16:27:46 GMT
Not for love or money would I support a U.Ireland, money is meaningless. I keep hearing this there culture etc would be protected and guaranteed??? Just look at sinn fein's stance in the north under British rule so there is not much hope for it under Irish rule especially when republicans in the south are so opposed to any Orange marches. Wasn't this the reason the OO in the republic now walk in the arse end of nowhere. Please explain this double standard spinning deceit of sinn fein trying to claim they would welcome Unionists???
They have shown the opposite. If anyone thinks alot of moderate Unionists will support a UI then they are very much mistaken. Does this mean that if you want to remain British then you are hardline? So if you wish to remain Irish with this logic does that make you hardline?? How many moderate Irish people would be happy to become British???
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Post by Jim on Sept 7, 2007 16:35:06 GMT
That doesnt make sense.
Sinn Fein arent in government in the south, so its nowt to do with them in a united Ireland. Sinn Fein have the right to object to British rule in the north, I object to it too. What happened 30 years ago is not happening today so you cant use that excuse much longer.
Are you on OO member Wasp? I mean seriously, you defend them enough, why arent you a member of the Orange Order?
Nothing hardline about it, no ones talking about changing nationality, we discussed that already.
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Post by Jim on Sept 7, 2007 16:36:01 GMT
La la la la (sorry there is no smiley with its fingers in its ears) Your like it or lump vision of a united ireland is really compelling setanta. "Like it or lump it" has worked fine when unionists want it too in the noth. Even more compelling. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 7, 2007 17:06:25 GMT
But sinn fein in the south are very vocal to anything British/Unionis etc in the south.
Of course they have but what is this excuse I am using of 30 years ago, I don't need to go back 30 years.
No I am not a member of the OO but I did want to join years ago. Are you a member of the ira because you defend them enough, why aren't you a member.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Sept 8, 2007 3:16:41 GMT
La la la la (sorry there is no smiley with its fingers in its ears) Your like it or lump vision of a united ireland is really compelling setanta. "Like it or lump it" has worked fine when unionists want it too in the noth. Even more compelling. so its matter of revenge then? |
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2007 7:19:39 GMT
"Like it or lump it" has worked fine when unionists want it too in the noth. Even more compelling. so its matter of revenge then? No, practicality. If most of the nation have no problem with the current anthem and flag then surely the democratic thing to do is to keep it, thats how any other country works. Thats how Britain works, thats how unionists work, thats how republicans work. Theres no need for revenge, we're not some sneeky bitter bastards biding our time rubbing our hands so we can make unionists stand up for a tricolour, cant say its something id get a kick out of. |
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2007 7:25:14 GMT
But sinn fein in the south are very vocal to anything British/Unionis etc in the south. Of course they have but what is this excuse I am using of 30 years ago, I don't need to go back 30 years. No I am not a member of the OO but I did want to join years ago. Are you a member of the ira because you defend them enough, why aren't you a member. Thats because southern SF have never had to deal with unionists, not compared to northern SF, and most of the whinging and anglophobia comes from republican SF, the breakaways that no one listens too and who refuse to stand for most elections, ffs how could you take them serious they still think they are the rightful government for the past 80 years. Difference here Wasp, I defend the IRA on many things but I'm just as quick to condemn things they did, you know that and have saw me do it. I've never ever saw you condemn anything that the OO have done, you'll defend them to the last breath. Besides, the IRA dont exist anymore, like AFD (who was a volunteer) said, anyone who calls themselves a current IRA volunteer are liars. You cant compare a militant organisation with a religious organisation no matter how shady the OOs position on loyalist paras is. |
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Sept 8, 2007 13:37:53 GMT
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2007 16:26:58 GMT
What are you expecting to be told from that article? It happened 80 years ago.
Not time to move on considering almost no one from that period is alive?
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Post by Blue Angel on Sept 8, 2007 18:31:36 GMT
I've seen that article before on both unionist and republican websites, one it's riddled with inaccuracies and the claim that :- it is difficult to argue with Hart's assessment that this population decline is unique in British history - representing "the only example of the mass displacement of a native ethnic group within the British Isles since the 17th century" is patently bollox as I'm sure we can all think of a few others example s of mass displacements with not too much effort. And anyone quoting Peter Hart instantly worries me as the man has been proved to be an and out liar and not above inventing sources. And yes this is all harking back to the past - someone will start shouting 'Home Rule is Rome rule' next (aww go on Blues brothers you know you want to  ) |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 8, 2007 19:19:52 GMT
Jim I ahve said numerous times that I would not support the OO if they wanted to walk out of the blue through any nationalist area for the sake of it but I am not going to condemn things if I don't see things as wrong. You name something on the OO and if I do not agree with it then I will say so as I have done before.
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Post by Jim on Sept 9, 2007 7:11:05 GMT
Sounds fair, I take it back.
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Post by Wasp on Sept 9, 2007 19:01:26 GMT
Sounds fair, I take it back. No probs. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 10, 2007 10:55:39 GMT
Setanta did I once say the south hate anything British?  Please show me where and if I did I take it back BUT SHOW ME FIRST. I am getting a bit fed up with you twisting my words and saying I said things that I didn't say. Now if I did I take it back completely. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 10, 2007 18:28:19 GMT
Nor did I imply that the south hates everything British or are you trying to tell me they do.
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Please show me where and if I did I take it back BUT SHOW ME FIRST. I am getting a bit fed up with you twisting my words and saying I said things that I didn't say. Now if I did I take it back completely.