If you ever needed a reason to hate the BNP

[Wasp]

What a wanker, but setanta you can't put this as a reason to hate the bnp, this is one person and I think in the past you have said you cannot blame the whole of sinn fein/ira or republicans etc for the actions of a few.

[Wasp]

What was the sinn fein member called who hates gays and is a member of the aoh? Is he still a member or did he leave?

[Wasp]

A former senior Provisional IRA member, who until 2003 sat on Sinn Fein’s national executive, is reorganising the extreme nationalist right in Ireland.

Gerry McGeough, 47, from Tyrone, now living in Dublin, has been described by the FBI as a “dedicated terrorist” and “senior commander” in the IRA. He makes no secret of his Provisional IRA past and his extreme anti-gay and pro-traditional Catholic views. McGeough is believed to have served on the PIRA’s “headquarters staff” and overseen its international arms buying and military operations during the early 1980s. He has served eight years in total in American and German prisons, awaiting trial for an IRA attack on a British barracks in Germany in 1988 and attempts to purchase surface-to-air missiles in the US. Until recently he was the editor of the large circulation Irish Catholic newspaper the Irish Family.

The former terrorist first emerged as a figure on the Irish extreme right when he accompanied Justin Barrett on a lecture tour of Irish towns in March 2004 in support of Barrett’s bid for election to the European Parliament. Barrett was a founding member of Youth Defence and former leader of the “No to Nice” campaign which opposed Irish ratification of the EU’s Nice Treaty. In an initial referendum held in June 2001 the Irish public voted against ratification.

Support fell away from Barrett following the exposure of his and his supporters’ links to European neo-fascist groups connected to Roberto Fiore’s International Third Position by Searchlight and the Sunday Mirror in September 2002 during the second Nice referendum campaign. At this vote the Irish people voted in favour of the treaty. Barrett and another Youth Defence founder, Niamh Nic Mhathuna, had attended conferences of Fiore’s neo-fascist Forza Nuova in Italy.

Barrett had also attended the German NDP’s “National Day of Resistance” rally in Passau in May 2000 at which former members of the Third Reich spoke along with international neo-fascist figures such as Udo Voigt, leader of the NDP. Youth Defence had also written a letter to Candour, an independent British far-right and antisemitic magazine, requesting funding at the time of its foundation in 1992. When confronted by video film of brown-shirted skinheads marching with neo-nazi flags through the conference on national television, days before the second Nice referendum, Barrett’s defence that he was unaware of the nature of the meetings became a national joke.

It was during this period that McGeough, then acting as organiser of the Sinn Fein anti-Nice campaign, became involved with Barrett and his cohorts. The two are still in close political contact although McGeough says he does not agree with Barrett’s vocal opposition to immigration. In his book The National Way Forward Barrett stated he believed immigration to Ireland was a “genetic” problem.


Because of his IRA activities McGeough had a strong following among some Provo supporters. He was elected to the Sinn Fein national executive in 1999 while studying history in Trinity College. He became the party’s national campaigns organiser in 2001 and remained on the executive until 2003. During that time he, along with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness, led Sinn Fein election campaigns and toured the country addressing republicans on behalf of the party.

[Wasp]

So do we use this as an 'ever need a reason to hate sinn fein'

[Wasp]

McGeough had those views before he linked in with him or are you denying that. Not once did I say he was linked while in sinn fein I showed his views and those he linked with including the ira and sinn fein.

Now could you answer my last question please, is this as an 'ever need a reason to hate sinn fein'

[Jim]

Apart from SF and the BNP espousing two completely incompatable ideologies...

There is always a reason to hate the BNP, they are the scum of the earth and even the most hardened loyalist should be able to see why the BNP are the biggest threat to Britain since the Luftwaffe. They may espouse Britishness but in reality they espouse everything modern Britain isnt.

[Wasp]

Jim the point of the thread was if you ever needed a reason to hate the bnp this was it. Now leaving aside the rest of the shite and staying within the topic (for my question only), do you think it is then fair to say the same to do with sinn fein because of McGeough?

[Jim]

No I don't think its fair, McGeough isnt a member of SF anymore. Besides I'm naturally going to say its an unfair comparison because I vote for SF. He wouldnt be the only politician on this island to say that, so would it be fair to say the same about the DUP?

There are a lot more reasons than this to hate the BNP and everything they stand for, this is just one more reason.

[Wasp]

TBH I would say the same if a duper posted this and remind them of perhaps one of their members. McGeough is not a member anymore but when he was a member then I think it would only be fair to say the same then about sinn fein if you are using one man as a reason to hate a party. That's my point.

[Wasp]

I know one ex nf member who went onto join the bnp. His only dealings with the bnp is his subscription to their magazine but he still shares alot of their viewpoints. He is far from the mindset of this wanker, this person is really family orientated and doesn't fit the much stereotyped bnp character.

[Jim]

Not really Wasp people are free to have their own opinions you can't be condemning an entire party because a member doesnt like gays, but being homophobic and saying rape is acceptable are two very different moral issues.

[Jim]

wasp said:

I know one ex nf member who went onto join the bnp. His only dealings with the bnp is his subscription to their magazine but he still shares alot of their viewpoints. He is far from the mindset of this wanker, this person is really family orientated and doesn't fit the much stereotyped bnp character.

Well if hes buying into the BNP shite then he's still a racist, no matter how well you know him. Not all BNP members and NF members are skinheads with trouser braches and union jack vests. A lot of people with racist views you wouldn't expect.

[Wasp]

I agree. I have had many arguements with him and to be fair he gives some valid points. One point he did make was that we have all these ethnic groups and ethnic community groups with the people who belong to these groups religion, colour or race named in the group. But as soon as the word British or white is used in any group then it is branded racist etc. I completley agree with this.

How do you determine a racist Jim, he has a few coloured friends, eats in chinese/Indian restaurants etc. So by that could he be classed racist because of his problems with immigrations or is it just because he buys bnp magazines.

[bearhunter]

To return to the topic for a moment, I'd like to see this BNP bloke say sex is no big deal after some meaty fella tooka fancy to him in, say, a prison shower block and rode the arse off him. If he thinks rape is about sex he's dumber than a box of hammers. It's not; it's about power, pure and simple.

[Wasp]

Maybe he shouldn't comment on such a horrific experience without experiencing it himself. I wander if king dong is still about???