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Post by Shades40 on Aug 28, 2007 12:21:46 GMT
Looks like a turkey ready for the oven, you'd know I'm a chef.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Aug 28, 2007 13:01:42 GMT
So its only harsh because the UDA did it? |
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Post by Shades40 on Aug 28, 2007 13:13:32 GMT
Probably more to do with the ongoing feud, good drug dealers and bad drug dealers FTW, not to mention the dismembering of a man last week.
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Post by Jim on Aug 28, 2007 14:55:46 GMT
Its funny to see the politicians condemning it, because the PSNI arent doing much against drug dealers and trouble makers, they tell you to phone your community watch.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Aug 28, 2007 15:38:09 GMT
Yes, considering they're huge drug dealers. I've no real problem with anyone doing any number of nasty things to people that sell rock, charlie, yack, yokes, whizz or anything else along those lines, but if the people that do it also sell the aforementioned items, then it's a bit harsh and hyporcritical isn't it? When sentencing fits the crime of selling drugs then these types of incidents should die out. Now you can claim that the IRA were drug dealers but the lack of any evidence whatsoever tends to make me smile when Unionists and Red Tops say that. So if it was anybody else did it then it would be ok? tarring a feathering that is |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 28, 2007 16:48:36 GMT
Yes, considering they're huge drug dealers. I've no real problem with anyone doing any number of nasty things to people that sell rock, charlie, yack, yokes, whizz or anything else along those lines, but if the people that do it also sell the aforementioned items, then it's a bit harsh and hyporcritical isn't it? When sentencing fits the crime of selling drugs then these types of incidents should die out. Now you can claim that the IRA were drug dealers but the lack of any evidence whatsoever tends to make me smile when Unionists and Red Tops say that. I think it is a bit hypocritical you claiming that you support non-violence, an end to violence etc then saying that you have no problem if anyone else done this. |
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Post by Jim on Aug 28, 2007 17:44:13 GMT
Well theres no other way to deal with them Wasp.
You phone the police, the police lift them, slap them on the wrist and are given 18 months, and they're back on the street with even more contacts from people inside who are getting out.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 28, 2007 20:51:17 GMT
Well theres no other way to deal with them Wasp. You phone the police, the police lift them, slap them on the wrist and are given 18 months, and they're back on the street with even more contacts from people inside who are getting out. Ok Jim let's look at it another way. None of us know what our children will do when they are older and I don't want my kids to end up being punished like this, would any of us here be happy with that happening to our children no matter what age they are?? The law is not firm enough and is way too soft in dealing with dealers but we also must remember that there are dealers who themselves are addicts and have had a terrible childhood. These types need treatment and they need counselling, there are some good groups offering help but it is nowhere near enough. I am not excusing any dealer as I hate what they do as much as the next person but there are those who like many of there addicts have been brought up starved of affection and all the things that kids should have. Many of there parents didn't give a fuck about them either which makes it even more sad. Now some of my sparetime I am involved with people from all walks of life and when I heard the stories behind some of the dealers as well as the addicts I realized the typical view of a dealer is not true for all of them. |
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Post by bearhunter on Aug 28, 2007 21:29:08 GMT
So was there any proof that the kid was actually selling drugs?
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2007 6:28:28 GMT
Well theres no other way to deal with them Wasp. You phone the police, the police lift them, slap them on the wrist and are given 18 months, and they're back on the street with even more contacts from people inside who are getting out. Ok Jim let's look at it another way. None of us know what our children will do when they are older and I don't want my kids to end up being punished like this, would any of us here be happy with that happening to our children no matter what age they are?? The law is not firm enough and is way too soft in dealing with dealers but we also must remember that there are dealers who themselves are addicts and have had a terrible childhood. These types need treatment and they need counselling, there are some good groups offering help but it is nowhere near enough. I am not excusing any dealer as I hate what they do as much as the next person but there are those who like many of there addicts have been brought up starved of affection and all the things that kids should have. Many of there parents didn't give a fuck about them either which makes it even more sad. Now some of my sparetime I am involved with people from all walks of life and when I heard the stories behind some of the dealers as well as the addicts I realized the typical view of a dealer is not true for all of them. I've met a few dealers here and in england someway or another, mainly small time ones who dabble in a bit of heroin dealing but mainly sell coke, and they are absolute wankers and i'd have no pity for them when things like this happen. i've a cousin who sells heroin to school kids in england and nearly killed his ma who he looked after (looked after meaning claiming for, living with, and stealing money from) by not paying attention to her who was elderly, no one knew the wiser, he was too busy selling gear and taking it too. if you want to think of it as being someones son, what about the plebs they're getting addicted to heroin and create dependencies? they're someones sons and daughters too and it creates problems for families up and down the country. |
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Aug 29, 2007 13:03:17 GMT
so were do you draw the line, tarring and feathing is ok as long as its not the UDA, what about knee capping?
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2007 16:44:29 GMT
so were do you draw the line, tarring and feathing is ok as long as its not the UDA, what about knee capping? I didnt say anything about the UDA. |
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Post by bearhunter on Aug 29, 2007 20:45:38 GMT
Has anyone found any evidence that the kid was selling drugs yet?
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Post by Shades40 on Aug 30, 2007 0:27:49 GMT
Yeah at the time he was high on >>THIS<<  |
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Post by Blue Angel on Aug 30, 2007 1:11:49 GMT
That stuff is crazy shit - I have a friend Gabriela who is Mexican who is like a little sister to me and she had to leave Mexico because she found out her boyfriend was selling this stuff and he couldn't pay his own dealer so the guys said well your girl can earn it on her back for us then. And this is the kind of lovely people dealers are wherever they are, whether it be Mexico, England or Ireland. I can see WASP's points but I think the logic of using your childhood to excuse all the bad things you do is tiresome. I grew up on one of the roughest council estates in Britain. I am more fortunate than Setanta as none of my family or friends ever got hooked but i could see skag heads and dealers just walking to the shop every morning. Be under no illusions WASP, these people are sharks - show em the slighest hint of weakness and they will fuck you over every time. Small time dealers and addicts who deal I have some sympathy for, higher end dealers are just human refuse. They are aware of the consequences of their actions they just don't have any moral filter to view them through.
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