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Post by Jim on Jul 29, 2007 22:25:52 GMT
Museum proposals dont need a majority mandate, its not a constitutional issue.
Didnt I just say I'm against a shrine to sands? Do you read forum posts the way you read history? God. *bangs head on keyboard*.
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Post by Wasp on Jul 29, 2007 22:53:04 GMT
Jim if this 'museum' is placed at long kesh then it is for republicans because it is republicans that want it. This would then become a shrine if it wasn't already one in the first place.
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Post by Jim on Jul 29, 2007 23:43:11 GMT
Just because republicans want it doesnt automatically make it a bad thing. You need to get this republican automatically means bad mentality out of your head mate because your in for a very long future with us.
Its not a fucking shrine, its as much a shrine to the hunger strikers as Sachsenhausen is to the Soviets, not very!!!
If we want to enshrine Bobby Sands and the other 9, we'll do it somewhere else.
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Post by Wasp on Jul 30, 2007 14:23:44 GMT
Just because republicans want it doesnt automatically make it a bad thing. You need to get this republican automatically means bad mentality out of your head mate because your in for a very long future with us. Its not a fucking shrine, its as much a shrine to the hunger strikers as Sachsenhausen is to the Soviets, not very!!! If we want to enshrine Bobby Sands and the other 9, we'll do it somewhere else. First of all there is no need to continually swear at anyone who disagrees with you. I have never said that anything republican is bad. My views on L. kESH remains the same regardless of what views you have on it. |
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Post by Wasp on Jul 30, 2007 14:29:11 GMT
I have never been in it, nor do I have any desire to do so. Only tears I would have is the thought of those inside to do with the pain they inflicted on N.Ireland. You may not see it as glorification but I and many like me do especially because of the hunger strikers. If it is to be a museum let's have it somewhere where all the troubles can be remembered or taught, so either a town that suffered at the hands of terrorism or IMO better still Belfast itself.
Again long kesh is somewhere terrorists served there sentence for terrorism, it is somewhere people were manipulated by both sides and somewhere terrorists starved themselves to death. Big deal. Flatten the place and throw it in the dustbin of history IMO.
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Post by Jim on Jul 30, 2007 19:34:30 GMT
I think he's more embarrassed of his history, which makes it sound more like denial than anything else.
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Post by bluedog on Jul 30, 2007 20:02:33 GMT
Even though Long Kesh, the people who went in and out of it and the events it witnessed have shaped your country into what it is today? You wish to deny your history? You people are fairly good at denying your history.You airbrushed your 1st world war soldiers out of history for decades,your Romanist churches treatment of your own people,your collusion with nazi war criminals who were given safe houses in your country.You have a brass neck like the Reverend Liar and his party. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 30, 2007 20:12:32 GMT
Aye, okay, your right.
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Post by Wasp on Jul 30, 2007 22:01:37 GMT
I think he's more embarrassed of his history, which makes it sound more like denial than anything else. What you think about my thoughts and what I think for myself are two different things. When it comes to being embarrased about history republicans should take a good look at their own doorstep before even thinking a Unionist is embarrased about theirs. Rpeublicans may think sands and co shaped the future for the likes of me, I am afraid for me that is not the case, he was a terrorist who killed himself, simple as that. The fact republicans supported him to kill himself along with the others who committed suicide again is meaningless to me. He like others were part of a sectarian hate filled organisation that butchered and maimed thousands. To me they are where they belong and that is six foot under. So trying to say that they mean anything to me concerning history, they don't, never have and never will. |
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Post by Wasp on Jul 31, 2007 16:31:06 GMT
OK WASP, but don't you htink that Sands writings especially when on hunger strike have influanced the younger generation? Well I never heard or saw his writings, so I cannot comment on these. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 16:35:00 GMT
no but a good percentage of the population of the six counties have -and it would be foolish to pretend they have noot been influenced by them.
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 16:58:37 GMT
And the voice of reason and moderation that is Willie Frazer once again steps into the breach :-
For anyone who believes the myth that the Maze will not be a shrine, victims would like to point out that this is a lie. In a recent visit by victims to the Maze, we discovered Rosary beads, mass cards, crucifixes and candles all in the H-Block hospital in question*. It has got to the stage that people take Republican promises at face value, but we can reveal that their long history of lying is still a reality today. The Maze has ALREADY become a shrine to Republican murderers! We as victims of these terrorists want to know where our politicians stand on this issue and we seek their intervention to stop this disgrace. If the history of these ten killers is so important to the history of Ulster, we ask what about the history of the ten men massacred beside a mini bus in South Armagh by cohorts of these ten Republican murderers? Once again, the concessions only seem to flow one way in Ulster today and these concessions are all to appease Republicans. We advise anyone who is uncertain of the REAL and bloody history of these ten Republican hunger strikers to read our booklet that explains what type of men they were
*oh my god the terror, rosary beads would you believe! Oh, the humanity!
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Post by Wasp on Jul 31, 2007 18:26:56 GMT
The rosary beads would be the last of my concern in this passage along with anyother religious items. My concern would be to echo exactly what Willie said about the history part and those killed by the cohorts of these terrorists. Why is it that the sheer mention of rosary beads etc overtakes and completely ignores the victims of these terrorists as Willie stated. On this all I have to say at least Willie speaks up and doesn't take no crap from anyone, he is at least on the victims part of this post telling the absolute truth.
While Unionist facination with the vatican, Ireland, nazis in Ireland etc etc is scorned upon, I think republican facination of Willie Frazer is equally open to being pointed out, laughed at, mocked etc in the same way Unionists are spoken to regarding their alledged fascinations. How many of us here have suffered the way Willie's family has suffered at the hands of terrorists yet republicans seem to be fascinated by him. Would it be because he tells the exact truth in somethings so republicans have to dissect every single things he says? Usually it is the least important things as well.
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 31, 2007 18:48:16 GMT
willie's suffering excuses some of his distortions but renders them no less laughable or open to critique WASP. His suffering cannot be used as a constant excuse for some of the idiocy he comes out with nor his bigotry which is all to plain at point on his own site.
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Post by Jim on Jul 31, 2007 19:42:17 GMT
God, the horror. Rosary beads? Call in the bulldozers.
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