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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 17:41:33 GMT
Soldier’s Girlfriend Thanks Orange Order
Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland Media Release
The girlfriend of one the soldiers murdered at Massareene Barracks in Antrim last year has thanked local Orangemen for raising money in their memory.
Orangemen in Randalstown District sold 12,000 badges they designed in memory of the two soldiers – Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey.
A total of £15,000 was presented by the Orange Order to the Royal Engineers Benevolent Fund.
At the event, a letter was read from Louise Potter, girlfriend of Patrick Azimkar.
It said:
“I would like to say thank you for the badges. They are wonderful. Myself, Pat’s family and friends have been wearing them with pride and we feel honoured that the people of Antrim have put together such brilliant and beautiful badges for our boys.”
The Orange Order in Randalstown also received a letter from Patrick’s father Mehmet Azimkar.
It said:
“We are very pleased that these lovely badges created in memory of our beloved son Patrick and his friend Mark Quinsey have raised £15,000 for the Royal Engineers Benevolent Fund.
“We have been touched by the extraordinary support of the local people of Antrim and would like to thank you all for your solidarity.”
Alan Nicholl, Secretary of Randalstown District, said:
“Many of us in Northern Ireland had hoped and thought that the days of shootings and bombings were behind us however we very quickly realised that was not the case.
“Some of us were at a function in Ballymena as news of the shootings in Antrim came through on March 7 last year. Two days later, the province was plunged into deeper darkness when Constable Stephen Carroll of the PSNI was murdered in Craigavon.
“At a meeting of our District Orange Lodge we felt we wanted to do something to show our support and solidarity for both the Army and the Police at that time.
“We decided in the short term to organise a coffee morning and raised £1350, which was divided between the Benevolent Funds for the PSNI and the Royal Engineers.
“Because of the close proximity to us, of the murders in Antrim, we decided that we would also design a badge in memory of the two soldiers.
“We designed and made 1000 badges and they were sold in 10 days so we had to re-order and keep re-ordering until we sold 12,000.
“We have sold them all over Northern Ireland and in Germany, the United States and Canada.
“It was a privilege and honour for some of us to meet with members of the Azimkar and Quinsey family in October when they came to Antrim for a memorial event at the offices of Antrim Borough Council. We were also glad to have the approval of the families for what we were doing.”
Lt.Col. John McLennan, Controller of the Royal Engineers Association said:
“The REA is a charity that looks after the family of the Corps of Royal Engineers when they have fallen on hard times. Last year we financially assisted over 1,000 members of the family at a cost of more than £1/2M.
“The very generous gesture of the Orange Order Randalstown District to our charity is most gratefully received and will help continue our work for the benefit of our hard pressed sappers for many years in the future.”
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Post by leeside on Feb 21, 2010 19:04:37 GMT
Wonder if the soldiers girlfriend is aware of the Orange Orders propensity for violence, sectarianism and its support for terrorists.
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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 19:51:27 GMT
Wonder if the soldiers girlfriend is aware of the Orange Orders propensity for violence, sectarianism and its support for terrorists. Mmmm what orange order are you talking about??? Definately not the one I am referring to whicch has also raised thousands and thousands for various charities year in year out. |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 20:33:56 GMT
Wonder if the soldiers girlfriend is aware of the Orange Orders propensity for violence, sectarianism and its support for terrorists. On an added note what exactly are your personal experiences with the Orange Order and I dont mean what you hear from others especially the likes of McKenna and his statements and comments, just from your own experiences. |
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Post by leeside on Feb 21, 2010 20:46:12 GMT
Aren't they all the same? Terrorist support: Triumphalist  Five Nationalists killed in Graham's bookies shop on Ormeau Road Belfast by weapons supplied by RUC - how the Orange Order celebrated the feat the last time they were allowed to march down down that road
Of course the Orange order is a Christian organization just trying to go to church in peace. Nothing to do with triumphalism , sectarianism or violence.  Couldnt find any decent clips of Orange men attacking police and nationalists at drumcree and whiterock. Will upload them as soon as i find them. |
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Post by leeside on Feb 21, 2010 20:55:01 GMT
I've never encountered them personally. Just what i've read and seen on tv. To me they are far from what the purport to be. Their principles seem decent enough but their actions and alot of their members leave alot to be desired. Very much like how you view the GAA.
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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 22:16:19 GMT
I've never encountered them personally. Just what i've read and seen on tv. To me they are far from what the purport to be. Their principles seem decent enough but their actions and alot of their members leave alot to be desired. Very much like how you view the GAA. So you havent chatted with members of the OO and let them talk to you about what it really is about, nor have you been to any parade as an outsider yet you have such a strong opinion against them based on very very little. |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 22:20:05 GMT
Aren't they all the same? Terrorist support: Triumphalist Five Nationalists killed in Graham's bookies shop on Ormeau Road Belfast by weapons supplied by RUC - how the Orange Order celebrated the feat the last time they were allowed to march down down that road
Of course the Orange order is a Christian organization just trying to go to church in peace. Nothing to do with triumphalism , sectarianism or violence. Couldnt find any decent clips of Orange men attacking police and nationalists at drumcree and whiterock. Will upload them as soon as i find them. Could you provide proof the weapons were supplied by the RUC?? Concerning the hand signal this is one person out of thousands and also you are not seeing what this person is looking at and gesturing towards. Do you think it would be some innocent bystander or someone hurling alot of foul mouthed sectarian abuse at him to which he stupidly replied?? The funeral does not represent the OO either so basically you are taking some disappointing events and putting the entire OO in the same bracket. Bit like me saying all gaa supporters/members support the ira now isnt it? |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 22:31:05 GMT
Now with you highlighting negative points let me highlight some that you may not be aware of. Here is part of a letter from Portadown lodge to residents;
'The disputed parades occur along main arterial roads which are shared by all communities. All are traditional routes, none have been concocted or organised to cause offence.................We recognise that along with the right to parade comes responsibility, which we have exercised by talking to residents' groups, local politicians, clergy from all denominations and other interested parties. We have taken on board the fears and concerns of the many people we have spoken to. This has resulted in the restricted playing of music and the improved marshalling of our parades. However, in all conscience we cannot talk to those groups influenced by republican terrorists whose purpose is to deny our civil rights..............The restricting of loyal order parades along main roads creates cultural apartheid, where one community has a veto on another community's expression of identity and heritage. Banning and re-routing Orange parades from shared road and village main streets will only lead to further segregation of our respective communities. This is not the way to build a future where there is mutual respect and tolerance. Ethnic segregation is morally wrong. It did not work in South Africa and the United States. It must not be allowed to work in Northern Ireland.
In a democratic, divided society accommodation is the only way to build a future where people of differing traditions can peacefully co-exist. Toleration needs to be the approach when matters of tradition and heritage are expressed. While much of Gaelic and nationalist culture is politicised, the unionist community does not go out of its way to be offended or obstructive. We may not identify with Gaelic and nationalist culture, but we do not attempt to censure it. All we ask for is the same in return for our Protestant heritage and unionist identity.'
Then there is this (the Royal Black Institution);
African hospital to benefit from the Royal Black Institution
THE Royal Black Institution has made a hospital in Africa its designated charity for 2010.
Kiwoko Hospital is a community-based facility of 245 beds in the Luwero area of Uganda and has been chosen by the institution to benefit from fundraising over the next year.
In 2008 the Royal Black Institution raised money for Diabetes UK, Northern Ireland, and recently presented £77,000 to the charity, the biggest single donation it has ever received.
Kiwoko Hospital was opened in 1988 by Dr Ian Clarke, formerly from Bangor. He became the only doctor to tens of thousands of people in an area, half the size of Northern Ireland.
Dr Clarke, his family and other people from the Province helped to build up the hospital over many years to help the local population. Last year, 1,500 HIV cases were treated at the hospital.
Uganda has 2000 doctors to serve a population of 30 million, one-third of whom regularly go without food. The average income per head of population is $360 per year.
And some more;
Annually the Order raises tens of thousands of pounds through its collections at church parades and similar functions to assist those in need.
Each year a specific cause is nominated for the Grand Master's Charity Appeal. In 2003 the nominated charity is Cancer Research N.I.
ORANGEMEN across Northern Ireland and the Republic have pulled out all the stops last year to raise an amazing £121,888 for the Grand Master's Charity Appeal. Further funding has resulted in a new total of £124,000.
In fact the donation is the largest single Northern Ireland donation to Cancer Research, something which the Grand Master puts down to the generous nature and charitable outlook of Orange brethren and their supporters across Northern Ireland and the border counties of the Republic.
See not all bad.
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Post by Wasp on Feb 21, 2010 22:35:53 GMT
Now here is reaction to certain incidents;
09/07/09 The Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland has issued a statement about sectarian attacks on Catholic churches, and another arson attack on Greenisland Orange Hall in Belfast.
"We condemn without reservation these sectarian attacks which are designed to create community tension.
"The people who attack our property or those who attack catholic churches must be handed over to the police. Their actions are despicable and must be condemned by everyone.
"The people who attack catholic churches do not speak for the Protestant community.
"There are evil people on all sides in the community who want to cause strife and create havoc but it is up to the law-abiding population to make sure they do not have their way."
09/05/06
Murder Of Michael McIlveen: Loyal Orders Statement
"As leaders of the Loyal Orders we unequivocally condemn the murder in Ballymena of Mr Michael McIlveen and we extend our deepest sympathy to his grieving parents and family at this time.
No claim to political loyalty or religious affiliation can possibly justify such a reprehensible and wicked crime. We call for an immediate end to inter-community conflict in Ballymena and elsewhere, and we would urge anyone with information to come forward quickly and help the police investigation. It is essential that those responsible for Michael McIlveen's cowardly murder face the full rigour of the law and pay the penalty for their crime.
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Post by leeside on Feb 22, 2010 10:44:14 GMT
You constantly claim with thread after thread that the GAA is a sectarian terrorist supporting organization. That criteria could also be used to tarnish the OO with the same claims.
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Post by Jim on Feb 22, 2010 14:32:50 GMT
I've never encountered them personally. Just what i've read and seen on tv. To me they are far from what the purport to be. Their principles seem decent enough but their actions and alot of their members leave alot to be desired. Very much like how you view the GAA. So you havent chatted with members of the OO and let them talk to you about what it really is about, nor have you been to any parade as an outsider yet you have such a strong opinion against them based on very very little. no but i have  |
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Post by leeside on Feb 22, 2010 15:27:29 GMT
I've never encountered them personally. Just what i've read and seen on tv. To me they are far from what the purport to be. Their principles seem decent enough but their actions and alot of their members leave alot to be desired. Very much like how you view the GAA. So you havent chatted with members of the OO and let them talk to you about what it really is about, nor have you been to any parade as an outsider yet you have such a strong opinion against them based on very very little. How many GAA games have u been to, WASP? |
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Post by leeside on Feb 22, 2010 15:32:53 GMT
Thats precisely what u do as regards the GAA. I never said that all OO supporters/members are paramilitary supporters. I just dont buy into ur holier than thou model uber 'Christian' view of the OO. There are alot of violent scum in their ranks.
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Post by leeside on Feb 22, 2010 15:51:08 GMT
BTW, my sources for what read about the north are not some sectarian, racist hate sites like Calton or UpThe Ra for that matter.
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