The GAA and ira memorials

[Wasp]

Oct 15, 2009 21:20:47 GMT leeside said:

Oct 15, 2009 16:21:57 GMT Wasp said:

See answer above

That only addresses the stupid comment you made and not your constant mis-use of the word sectarian.

Well come on then enlighten me by telling me how I constant mis-use the word sectarian?

[lochy]

Oct 15, 2009 20:21:15 GMT Wasp said:

Oct 15, 2009 19:46:01 GMT lochy said:

Think this seems to be what the thread is about......

Why take a snippet from a post to take it out of context?

Dont think its out of context. It does generally seem to be what the thread is about. Just an opinion.

[leeside]

'Sectarianism' refers to religion not politics. Here's two examples in the same post you wrote in this very thread. I can get more if you need them. Just ask....

After trouble in Portstewart in a free for all He accused local loyalists from Portstewart and neighbouring Coleraine, of regularly going into Portstewart's bars to look for young nationalists to attack, going on to say that this is indeed what happened on the aforementioned Friday night! His evidence for this was that "a number of local people have led me to believe this to be true".

The police however in a statement from the police categorically denied any sectarian element to the brawl, believing it to be "be a disagreement between students who attend the local University of Ulster".

Maybe BA becoming a catholic made leonard become a liar with all his misguided sectarian rants where he blame loyalists for everything even when they are not anywhere near the trouble.

Enlightened, yet??

[Blue Angel]

As for me re-embracing the Catholic faith having any impact on Leonard in any way this is a bizarre non sequitir. WASP should be aware I did not 'become' a Catholic as I am not a convert, I merely re-embraced my faith, WASP should also be aware I re-embraced in part due to a seachange in my attitudes which includes a rejection of political violence and re-assesment of it's role in Irish history. Anyone baptised Catholic is always Catholic from the Church's point of view, so I never ceased been Catholic I would have been simply regarded as extremely lapsed.

As I can influence events in N.Ireland via my choice of faith I think I shall as my next act decree no more use of guns EVER by nationalist or unionist groups, people to stop dealing in crude stereotypes about been Protestant or Catholic and universal employment and high-quality health care.

[Wasp]

So because I have decided to re-embrace Christianity this has provoked Leonard into doing that which you claim he does WASP.

What on earth are you on about, what has leonard got to do with your religious beliefs??

It's nice to know I am that influential even if there seems to be no obvious relationship between these two issues.

See answer above.

And I do find your posting sectarian, there is a constant undercurrent of sectarianism that runs through it, Jim or others here dislike the Catholic Church BUT they also dislike all organised religion equally.

That's rich coming from someone who referred to my faith as to someone who reads sci fi mags and comics, along with the fact you constantly ridiculed my beliefs and not once did I try to belittle you for being an athiest and not once did I lambast you for finding religion again. What I did do was discuss my opposition to catholic doctrine and lets not forget I have mentioned various Protestant doctrine as well from certain churchs. If you think for a minute I am going to sit and say nothing for fear of you being offended which BTW you are very easily offended you have another thing coming. Its all right for you to state your beliefs but it is not all right for me to state mine without you throwing in the usual MOPE attitude by alledging sectarian viewpoints. This is religion we debate and if you cant handle that then dont spout your beliefs on a forum where you may be challenged and dont mock other peoples beliefs because you dont believe the same as them. Gooose for the gander and all that.

However with your posts I find there is a constant undercurrent seeking to confirm to your own mind the stereotypes about the naughty, naughty Catholics and their naughty, naughty Church.

Well you certainly got the last part right, perhaps you dont understand the vaticans role in covering up abuse, covering up the abusers and trying there damdnest to get out of theit mess. If you can quite happily go to a church that has done more against the most vulnerable in irish society than the British alledgely ever did, go to a church that is well known throughout the world for its greed and perversion with the most vulnerable then that is up to you. The rcc is one of the most sectarian outfits in the world concerning religion, they dont even want Protestant kids to be in the same schools as catholics and vice versa. Vicar of Christ my arse.

When you use terms such as 'Irish roman soldiers' to quote one of your own recent posts that side comes out for all to see whether you like it or not.

I stand by that quote and that is what the ira were, simple as, but hey throw in the odd comment about the rcc and there hatred for the ira and I can throw plenty back to counter your allegations.

You have not proved me wrong on any religous topic, merely repeated crude arguments from sources which set out to confirm what they already believed, that the Catholic Church is a place of idolatry and paganism blah blah blah.

Well your not much of a catholic if that is how you refer to catholic doctrine.

The two issues are not related. You made an unsubstantied claim that Leonard is now a Catholic as he's been to mass.

He is and it makes little difference to me, he's still a lying cunt. I dont care whether or not you believe he is a catholic or not but I know his family especially one of his sons who is a real nice lad. Maybe you will remember me saving him from a kicking a while back, oh and it was nothing to do with religion, it was his own sort that was trying to start on him.

Setanata pointed out to you anyone is free to attend mass. You then claimed his son had said he was Catholic but you are unable to provide proof of that.

Man you are a real tosser, can you provide proof of everything someone tells you, can you provide proof of the religion of all the people you know. Stop being an idiot, I havent asked you to believe me, I told you what he was and it is your choice to believe or not, either way I do not care. That aside typical republican response demanding proof of something that you know is impossible just so you can say you dont believe it.

If Leonard HAS become Catholic it's his business of course and nowhere but N.Ireland or some of the more redneck parts of the US would it be a matter of great public concern.

Err it wasnt me who brought up his faith, was it?? I simply corrected setanta and again I dont care what faith he is or was.

And as Setanta has said my religion and my nationality are two very different things.

I agree and I am fully aware you can be both English and catholic.

[Wasp]

Oct 15, 2009 22:07:45 GMT leeside said:

'Sectarianism' refers to religion not politics. Here's two examples in the same post you wrote in this very thread. I can get more if you need them. Just ask....

After trouble in Portstewart in a free for all He accused local loyalists from Portstewart and neighbouring Coleraine, of regularly going into Portstewart's bars to look for young nationalists to attack, going on to say that this is indeed what happened on the aforementioned Friday night! His evidence for this was that "a number of local people have led me to believe this to be true".

The police however in a statement from the police categorically denied any sectarian element to the brawl, believing it to be "be a disagreement between students who attend the local University of Ulster".

Maybe BA becoming a catholic made leonard become a liar with all his misguided sectarian rants where he blame loyalists for everything even when they are not anywhere near the trouble.

Enlightened, yet??

If you know anything about up here you will know sectarianism is rife in all walks of life and affects everyday life, so your point is??

[Wasp]

As for me re-embracing the Catholic faith having any impact on Leonard in any way this is a bizarre non sequitir.

Are you on the drink or something because you have completely lost me with your waffle.

WASP should be aware I did not 'become' a Catholic as I am not a convert, I merely re-embraced my faith,

Become, re-embraced, came back etc etc is all the samething. I am fully aware that you have went back to your faith so if I used the word become (dont even know if I did) then obviosly I include the word 'again'.

WASP should also be aware I re-embraced in part due to a seachange in my attitudes which includes a rejection of political violence and re-assesment of it's role in Irish history. Anyone baptised Catholic is always Catholic from the Church's point of view, so I never ceased been Catholic I would have been simply regarded as extremely lapsed.

The churchs point of view is no different from all churchs point of view and that is it means nothing when it concerns someones choice of religion or none if they leave whatever church they belonged to. No church controls people, well outside of the republic that is and it now seems the churchs stranglehold on the people in the republic is coming to an end and about time.

As I can influence events in N.Ireland via my choice of faith I think I shall as my next act decree no more use of guns EVER by nationalist or unionist groups, people to stop dealing in crude stereotypes about been Protestant or Catholic and universal employment and high-quality health care

STAY OFF THE BOOZE.

[leeside]

Oct 15, 2009 22:22:42 GMT Wasp said:

Oct 15, 2009 22:07:45 GMT leeside said:

'Sectarianism' refers to religion not politics. Here's two examples in the same post you wrote in this very thread. I can get more if you need them. Just ask....



Enlightened, yet??

If you know anything about up here you will know sectarianism is rife in all walks of life and affects everyday life, so your point is??

that you mis-use the word 'sectarian' constantly.....

[Wasp]

Setanta I am completely lost with BA's replies, that aside I want to ask you a question. Not once have I ever complained at having my beliefs lambasted, nor have I ever complained at being mocked and belittled because of my beliefs and not once did I use the word sectarian against any posters mocking me or belittling me because they were catholic or from a catholic background etc etc etc.

SO why have you made a difference with me when I gave a reply which was very much tongue in cheek by telling me how close to the wind I am sailing??