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Post by Wasp on Oct 6, 2009 20:04:42 GMT
Below is alist of various memorials etc held by GAA clubs, this was taken from the Sunday life. Shocking to think that anyone connected with the gaa can claim the body is non political and open to all and welcomes all.
The GAA’s Ulster president Tom Daly said: “GAA places and spaces have been places where everybody, irrespective of political affiliation or none, has been welcome.” Many of the tributes below were created independently of GAA bosses, who have announced they would co-operate with any Government review.
Kevin Lynch
The GAA hurling club in Dungiven, Co Londonderry, is named after INLA member and former player Lynch.
He was the seventh of the 10 hunger strikers to die in 1981, after being sentenced to 10 years for stealing shotguns and conspiring to disarm the security forces. Lynch was captain of the 1972 All-Ireland-winning under-16 Derry team.
Joe Cahill
An under-12s football contest is played at Cardinal O’Donnell Park, west Belfast, in honour of the IRA veteran who died in 2004.
Cahill joined the IRA aged 18 and was convicted for his part in killing Catholic cop and dad-of-ten, Patrick Murphy, in 1942. He also was a key figure in founding the Provisional IRA in 1969.
Bobby Sands
The Cumann na Fuiseoige GAA club honours IRA hunger striker Sands, who grew up near its base in Twinbrook, west Belfast.
The club’s badge shows a lark, barb wire and a capital ‘H’ representing the H-block in the Maze prison where Sands — who was convicted of arms offences — was the first IRA hunger striker to die.
There is also a Bobby Sands Memorial soccer cup contest, held during the Feile an Phobail festival in west Belfast.
Mairead Farrell
A girls’ camogie championship played in Tullysaran, Co Armagh,
was named after IRA woman Farrell.
She spent 10 years in jail for bombing the Conway Hotel, Dunmurry, and was killed by the SAS in Gibraltar with fellow IRA members Sean Savage and Daniel McCann in 1988 with whom she allegedly planned to bomb an Army band.
Martin Hurson
A commemorative Martin Hurson Memorial cup final is played every year at Galbally Pearses Football Field near Dungannon in Co Tyrone.
The fifth of the H-block hunger strikers to die, Hurson was arrested in 1976 and quizzed over the attempted murder of UDR soldiers in a bomb attack.
The charge was dropped but he was convicted in relation to several other charges.
Michael McVerry
The first member of the IRA in south Armagh to be killed in the Troubles, McVerry was shot by soldiers in 1973 after placing a 100lb bomb at Keady RUC station, helped by five men who fought a running battle with cops after the device exploded.
The Michael McVerry cup is played for in Cullyhanna, Co Armagh, each year.
Gerard and Martin Harte
These East Tyrone IRA brothers were killed in a carefully-planned SAS ambush at Drumnakilly in 1988. Many branded it revenge for the Ballygawley bus attack 10 days earlier, which killed eight soldiers and injured 27 others.
Palyed at Loughmacrory, the Gerard and Martin Harte Memorial cup is now one of Tyrone's foremost under-12 Gaelic football tournaments.
Louis Leonard Memorial Park
The ground in Donagh, Fermanagh, was named after IRA man Louis, who was killed by loyalists in 1972 while working late in his shop in the village of Derrylin.
Loughgall bomber Paddy Kelly
The Paddy Kelly cup was played in Dungannon, Co Tyrone as part of commemorations for the IRA Loughgall “martyrs”. A heavily-armed IRA unit including Kelly and O’Callaghan was trying to blow up a part-time police station in Loughgall, Co Tyrone, with a 200lb bomb when they were gunned down by the SAS.
McDonnell/Doherty Park
The home ground of the St Teresas GAA club in west Belfast is named after hunger strikers and former players Joe McDonnell and Kieran Doherty.
McDonnell had been arrested in 1976 with Bobby Sands following a bomb attack on a furniture store in Dunmurry and Doherty was convicted for possession of firearms, explosives and hijacking.
Jim Lochrie and Sean
Campbell
Lochrie/Campbell GAA Park in Dromintee, south Armagh is named after IRA members Jim Lochrie and Sean Campbell who were killed when a land mine exploded prematurely at Kelly's Road, Killeen in 1975.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 6, 2009 22:25:21 GMT
so what's your point? There's only 1 GAA Club named after a modern day volunteer. Kevin Lynchs. The rest are locally orgainsed events of which the GAA has no control over. as you know Sam Maguire was a Protestant and ever GAA player all over the world dreams of getting on the Sam Maguire Trophy. You never let me down, I knew you would throw in maquire. So what about the rest of the trophies etc named after modernday scumbags?? Setanta obviously you have little knowledge of the gaa in N.Ireland or you are completely insensitive to the feelings of those your party are meant to be trying to win over. So if football in N.Ireland claimed to be open to all yet honoured and glorified the very people who slaughtered catholics you would have no problem with it?? |
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2009 22:57:17 GMT
We've been through this before havent we?
I don't actually watch GAA so I dont care what they call their trophies. Wasp if you are that concerned about it, its clearly for political reasons, pushing an agenda, you dont watch GAA I know that much.
You see, football in NI isnt squeaky clean either, as I've told you before I've been supporting the NI team for about a year now and I'm even in a supporters club here in England, yet I know fine rightly the shite they got up to only a couple of years ago and the IFAs disregard for "catholic" clubs right from the formation of the FAI, to Belfast Celtic, to Derry City and onward. Secterianism in sport isnt right, but it happens, the GAA want to push their own political agenda and they shouldnt, but NI football is hardly angelic.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 7, 2009 20:21:50 GMT
We've been through this before havent we? I don't actually watch GAA so I dont care what they call their trophies. Wasp if you are that concerned about it, its clearly for political reasons, pushing an agenda, you dont watch GAA I know that much. You see, football in NI isnt squeaky clean either, as I've told you before I've been supporting the NI team for about a year now and I'm even in a supporters club here in England, yet I know fine rightly the shite they got up to only a couple of years ago and the IFAs disregard for "catholic" clubs right from the formation of the FAI, to Belfast Celtic, to Derry City and onward. Secterianism in sport isnt right, but it happens, the GAA want to push their own political agenda and they shouldnt, but NI football is hardly angelic. Jim I have never denied any of the shite from football here, but as you should know most teams were mixed for years with managers being from both communities. If a club had a tournament for under 12s named after the shankhill butchers and other clubs took part while the ifa claimed to be non political and welcomed all blah blah I know republicans would have plenty to say and rightly so. Good to see you can break the mould by supporting N.Ireland. I met a guy at the N.Ireland v Israel game and he was from Donegal and goes to many games. He said it was difficult for him because of the sectarian attitude that surrounds his hometown but he loves N.Ireland and for a Irish catholic to do so says alot considering his team should be the republic. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 7, 2009 20:28:21 GMT
You never let me down, I knew you would throw in maquire. So what about the rest of the trophies etc named after modernday scumbags?? Setanta obviously you have little knowledge of the gaa in N.Ireland or you are completely insensitive to the feelings of those your party are meant to be trying to win over. So if football in N.Ireland claimed to be open to all yet honoured and glorified the very people who slaughtered catholics you would have no problem with it?? I can throw in more Protestants if you like but it's a nonsense argument. GAA organises at a grass-roots level upwards. Local clubs can have local events and in those localities those trophies are named after local heros. There's nothing to stop PROTESTANTS joining the GAA and there's no reason why PROTESTANTS shouldn't feel totoally comfortable in the GAA. It's is an All Ireland Organisation and as such some Unionists may not be comfortable with that ethos which goes right back to the GAA's founding, but there's nothing in it's ethos that would or should make any PROTESTANT, unconfortable or unwelcome. Setanta you are having a laugh aren't you??? You claim There's nothing to stop PROTESTANTS joining the GAA and there's no reason why PROTESTANTS shouldn't feel totoally comfortable in the GAA. Obviously you have not listened to Protestants here and obviously you are totally insensitive to there feelings and what they have suffered. Would you be ok with IFA teams taking part in tournaments named after loyalist killers and having clubs named after them, or maybe a tournament named after Thatcher or the SAS while the IFA at the sametime make the false claims the gaa are currently making about wanting all to play etc. What would you say if I said exactly what you said if this was the situation and replaced the word Protestant with the word catholic. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 8, 2009 17:54:28 GMT
Are you deliberatly ignoring what's in my posts. I said that UNIONISTS may be uncomfortable with the ethos of the GAA but there's nothign to stop PROTESTANTS, being part and parcel of the GAA and they are right from the youngest underage teams right up to a former president and on to the supreme trophy in the GAA being named after Protestants. The GAA Stadium in Belfast is named after a Protestant FFS. LOADS of GAA teams are named after Protestants, like Robert Emmetts and Wolfe Tones........ ah I could go on and on but you get the picture. Religion and Nationality are two completely seperate things WASP. Would I be OK with IFA teams taking part in tournaments. If in East Belfast the local teams decided to have the David Irvine Trophy I would completely understand. He was a local hero and the trophy would be a local tournament, played by local teams. It doesn't reflect on the IFA at large, just some local teams celebrating a local hero. You know fine well the majority of Protestants are Unionists, you know fine well I am referring to N.Ireland as this is where the problem with the gaa mainly exists, you know fine well the ira played their part in a sectarian campaign of violence aimed at the Protestant community and you know fine well I am not talking about a few token Prods. I did not give David Irvine as an example I gave the shankhill buitchers, I also used the example of the SAS and Thatcher who are despized by republicans so could you address those names rather than one that may suit you. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 9, 2009 16:40:19 GMT
Setanta the fact the gaa clubs hold commemorations for republican terrorists in N.Ireland proves that Protestants are not welcome considering the sectarian campaign the ira carried out against the Protestant community. The way you see the shankhill butchers is the exact way those from my community see ira terrorists, everyone of them. Now do you understand, now can you see the insult, now can you see why Protestants in general do not join clubs in N.Ireland, now can you see the deep offence caused by these clubs and the gaa?  ?? |
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Post by Jim on Oct 11, 2009 14:20:48 GMT
May I point out that while I generally dont give a shite about GAA, and am in favour of changing certain names, it would be a disgrace to change the name of the Sam Maguire as he is one of the most important figures in the sport right up until his death, and Casement park.
Honestly, I've no time for gurning about shite like this, while this seems to be "only" about names loyalists will never stop, weither they're calling it "bogball" or crying about the names of clubs or just not liking it because its Irish, that is their problem, not "ours".
Gotta wonder what Gary Hamilton (Glentorans striker) thinks about it, he plays GAA.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 11, 2009 16:06:02 GMT
For starters Jim it has fuck all to do with it being Irish, probably every household in N.Irleand will have Irish country or folk singers etc, my own niece was a top Irish dancer for the area she comes from and won a number of trophies. This has nothing at all to do with it being Irish, but another way to look at it then going by what you have said then the fact it is Irish is the reason it glorifies terrorists.
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Post by Jim on Oct 11, 2009 18:38:48 GMT
So are you telling me if GAA got rid of its republican nationalist symbols it would be highly accepted in loyalist circles?
I find it a bit hard to believe.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 11, 2009 19:48:40 GMT
So are you telling me if GAA got rid of its republican nationalist symbols it would be highly accepted in loyalist circles? I find it a bit hard to believe. Jim quit the double standards, it wasnt to long ago you said the name Windsor park wasn't acceptable to nationalists because of the word Windsor alledging it was called after the Royal family when infact as I proved it was named Windosr before the Royal family took the name. So if that name isnt acceptable how on earth would be the name of terrorists who attacked the Protestant community be acceptable. To answer your question I and many like me would have no need to have any issue with the gaa if they showed real leadership, showed real change and showed that they were sensitive to the highly offensive names and commemorations that go on in gaa circles. Not once have you ever heard me complain about the gaa on anything other than terrorist commemorations and the rules of membership such as aspiring to a UI. A Unionist could hardly aspire to that so it is far from inclusive. If these names changed would I attend a gaa match, definately not, not I might add because it is Irish or anything like it but because I have no interest in the sport in the sameway I have absolutely no interest in golf or cricket. One thing I do know for sure is that I would no longer have issues with the gaa. |
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2009 13:08:13 GMT
So are you telling me if GAA got rid of its republican nationalist symbols it would be highly accepted in loyalist circles? I find it a bit hard to believe. Jim quit the double standards, it wasnt to long ago you said the name Windsor park wasn't acceptable to nationalists because of the word Windsor alledging it was called after the Royal family when infact as I proved it was named Windosr before the Royal family took the name. So if that name isnt acceptable how on earth would be the name of terrorists who attacked the Protestant community be acceptable. To answer your question I and many like me would have no need to have any issue with the gaa if they showed real leadership, showed real change and showed that they were sensitive to the highly offensive names and commemorations that go on in gaa circles. Not once have you ever heard me complain about the gaa on anything other than terrorist commemorations and the rules of membership such as aspiring to a UI. A Unionist could hardly aspire to that so it is far from inclusive. If these names changed would I attend a gaa match, definately not, not I might add because it is Irish or anything like it but because I have no interest in the sport in the sameway I have absolutely no interest in golf or cricket. One thing I do know for sure is that I would no longer have issues with the gaa. I was wrong in saying it was named after the royal family; I was not wrong in saying that its what most nationalists believe to be the case. What double standards have I given? either way that sounds fair enough as I have no interest in the sport either; however, I know as do you there will always be people out to complain about the GAA no matter what it does. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 12, 2009 18:45:58 GMT
No you havent and you have again avoided the points I made in my last post to you, I know you dont want to answer them because it will prove your double standards and you cant accept that. Maybe just maybe you will address the points I made instead of the usual difflection.
Well I would say tournaments named after terrorists and grounds used for commemorating is plenty enough reason for Protestants not to play.
Traitors.
Leonard IS NOT A PROTESTANT, HE IS NOW A CATHOLIC. How many times do you have to be told, there is however a few exceptions and from my own personal experience there would be alot more catholics who want to remain part of the UK than there are Prods who want a U.Ireland, in N.Ireland anyway. I know and could name many many catholics that want to remain in the UK and I only know one Prod who wouldnt give a shite if their was a U.Ireland, if I can think of anymore I will say so.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 12, 2009 18:51:05 GMT
Fair enough Jim, at least your big enough to admit that.
Complaining about Unionists having problems with the gaa and claiming they would still have problems if all the names changed when you said the above. You alos used to slate Harry and I when we mentioned our wee country concerning the N.Ireland team. Even afd claimed catholics would not goto a N.Ireland match at windsor because they are not welcome and he knows none that went, then later on he said he knew a catholic who pretended he was a Protestant when he went to Windsor. This is the type of thing I was meaning.
With all the goings on at gaa clubs for decades I am sure it will take some a longtime to stop compalining because of the hurt these clubs inflicted on them and their loved ones.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 12, 2009 20:01:25 GMT
No you havent and you have again avoided the points I made in my last post to you, I know you dont want to answer them because it will prove your double standards and you cant accept that. Maybe just maybe you will address the points I made instead of the usual difflection. Well I would say tournaments named after terrorists and grounds used for commemorating is plenty enough reason for Protestants not to play. Traitors. Leonard IS NOT A PROTESTANT, HE IS NOW A CATHOLIC. How many times do you have to be told, there is however a few exceptions and from my own personal experience there would be alot more catholics who want to remain part of the UK than there are Prods who want a U.Ireland, in N.Ireland anyway. I know and could name many many catholics that want to remain in the UK and I only know one Prod who wouldnt give a shite if their was a U.Ireland, if I can think of anymore I will say so. The entire crux of your post, every post on this thrend in fact, is equating religion with nationality. I disagree with it and I've posted example after example of how Protestants, not Unionists, Protestants, are represented through-out the GAA. And as far as I know Billy Loenard hasn't coverted to Catholicism. His wife and children are Catholic but he's not. Or can you post somethign that says other-wise? Would attending mass say otherwise, would his own sons word not count?? |
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