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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 12, 2009 20:54:28 GMT
My wife isn't Catholic but attends mass WASP - the only part of the ceremony a non-Catholic is forbidden from partaking in is the sacrament of communion (in fact in my wife's case she could partake of this if she wished but would excommunicate herself automatically from the Russian Orthodox Church by doing so). I'm not Eastern Orthodox but I've attended Eastern Orthodox Churches because of my marriage.
I'd say it's quite normal for Billy to attend mass with his family - can you provide a quote from the man's son to say he has now been received into the Catholic Church? I'm sure since Billy is a part of SF someone could just ask him. My faith in the Church and my nationality are two very seperate things, Ireland is a nation state that exsists in a limited temporal manner, although Jim and possibly Setanta will take the piss out of me I'll be bold enough to say Christ and his Church are not dependent on Britain or Ireland which will both effectively one day cease to exsist and are ultimately transient. Personally everyone in Ireland could be Protestant, Catholic, Hindu, atheist etc. and I wouldn't be bothered.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 12, 2009 20:57:16 GMT
Just a point,if Billy had converted he would not need to be baptised btw as the Church would recognise any baptism done using a trinitarian formula (with the exception of the Mormon Church as it does not recognise the trinity invoked there as been the same as within Protestant, Orthodox or Catholic sacraments).
However he would have been likely to have gone through a fairly lengthy course of instruction such RCIA (rite of Christian initiation for adults) - he wouldn't have just been able to convert in 5 seconds flat.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 12, 2009 21:58:47 GMT
there's nothing to stop Protestants attending Catholic Mass (yes Im well aware that Catholics arent suppposed to go a Protestant Church). when was he baptised? Err how would I know that, now you are getting even more ridiculous than ever. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 13, 2009 16:22:23 GMT
Nah you are being a smart ass and you know it.
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Post by Jim on Oct 13, 2009 20:08:19 GMT
SURE NAH  |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 13, 2009 20:31:04 GMT
Right I asked my parish priest (a Fr. Doyle) out of interest what is the procedure for a Protestant converting, he said that it would take at least six months generally for him to go from been a cathecumen to been received into the Church. He also backed up my point about a convert from Protestantism not needing to be re-baptised but he would have to make a profession of faith in the Catholic Church. Billy Leonard is a well known public figure in the north, I'm sure if he converted it would be all over the media. WASP if you are going to claim he converted to become a 'roman soldier' or 'member of the beast of rome' or 'servant of the scarlet whore' or whatever silly phrase you are going to use for Catholics this time provide prove beyond fervid imaginings that he must have converted if he joined SF. Of course the next line of nonsense which you have not gone for is that he converted secretly or some similar piece of BS.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 14, 2009 15:15:19 GMT
Obviously ba I have hit a raw nerve when I backed everypoint you asked of me concerning the RCC, perhaps you cant handle a Prod putting you in your place when you wanted him to back up what he was saying and he used catholic doctirne as evidence. I have never used servant of the scarlet whore' in my life and you know I mainly refer to catholics as catholics so stop with the wee ploy to try and discredit everything I say with the knowledge or concern I may be right. Joining sf would not necessarily mean converting to catholicism, apart from that what right thinking Prod would join sf here in N.Ireland, infact what right thinking person would have supported sf/ira during their reign of terror over the people of N.Ireland, being an Englishman you wouldnt have much experience of that now would you? Ohhhhhhhh well slap my thigh you big girls blouse you. Are all you English so sensitive and dramatic? I believe he has been a practicing catholic from long before he joined sf/ira. Oh heres some more on the turncoat, After trouble in Portstewart in a free for all He accused local loyalists from Portstewart and neighbouring Coleraine, of regularly going into Portstewart's bars to look for young nationalists to attack, going on to say that this is indeed what happened on the aforementioned Friday night! His evidence for this was that "a number of local people have led me to believe this to be true". The police however in a statement from the police categorically denied any sectarian element to the brawl, believing it to be "be a disagreement between students who attend the local University of Ulster". Maybe BA becoming a catholic made leonard become a liar with all his misguided sectarian rants where he blame loyalists for everything even when they are not anywhere near the trouble. |
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Post by leeside on Oct 15, 2009 14:11:55 GMT
Isn't it ironic/moronic that the person who throws the accusation of 'sectarian' around so frequently on this forum happens to make the most sectarian comments on this forum and judging from the way he uses the word, clearly doesn't know its actual meaning.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 15, 2009 16:20:49 GMT
Hang on a wee minute setanta, it was ba who started the religious rant at me accusing me of all sorts, all I said was that leonard was now a catholic and I got alot of bullshit from BA because I proved him wrong on other religious topics, I backed my points and he then avoided my answers because the proof was there. Apart from that my comments were very tongue in cheek and you should know me well enough that I do not equate catholic with sectarian bigotry, if I did I would be insulting my best friends, some of my neighbours and members of my family. I thought it would be obvious to you and everyone else that I was replying with a smar ass comment to a smart ass post.  I didnt bring his religion into it, nor do I care what religion he is, hes a piece of lying shit stirring trash who has caused more to increase tensions with his provocative statements about alledged loyalist behaviour and complete silence over republican behaviour. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 15, 2009 16:21:25 GMT
BTW I have Protestants in my Cumann and you're free to meet them if you're ever down my way. How many are up here?? |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 15, 2009 16:21:57 GMT
Isn't it ironic/moronic that the person who throws the accusation of 'sectarian' around so frequently on this forum happens to make the most sectarian comments on this forum and judging from the way he uses the word, clearly doesn't know its actual meaning. See answer above |
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Post by lochy on Oct 15, 2009 19:46:01 GMT
a Prod putting you in your place . Think this seems to be what the thread is about...... |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 15, 2009 20:21:15 GMT
a Prod putting you in your place . Think this seems to be what the thread is about...... Why take a snippet from a post to take it out of context? |
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Post by leeside on Oct 15, 2009 21:20:47 GMT
Isn't it ironic/moronic that the person who throws the accusation of 'sectarian' around so frequently on this forum happens to make the most sectarian comments on this forum and judging from the way he uses the word, clearly doesn't know its actual meaning. See answer above That only addresses the stupid comment you made and not your constant mis-use of the word sectarian. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 15, 2009 21:52:13 GMT
So because I have decided to re-embrace Christianity this has provoked Leonard into doing that which you claim he does WASP. It's nice to know I am that influential even if there seems to be no obvious relationship between these two issues.
And I do find your posting sectarian, there is a constant undercurrent of sectarianism that runs through it, Jim or others here dislike the Catholic Church BUT they also dislike all organised religion equally. However with your posts I find there is a constant undercurrent seeking to confirm to your own mind the stereotypes about the naughty, naughty Catholics and their naughty, naughty Church. When you use terms such as 'Irish roman soldiers' to quote one of your own recent posts that side comes out for all to see whether you like it or not. You have not proved me wrong on any religous topic, merely repeated crude arguments from sources which set out to confirm what they already believed, that the Catholic Church is a place of idolatry and paganism blah blah blah. The two issues are not related. You made an unsubstantied claim that Leonard is now a Catholic as he's been to mass. Setanata pointed out to you anyone is free to attend mass. You then claimed his son had said he was Catholic but you are unable to provide proof of that. If Leonard HAS become Catholic it's his business of course and nowhere but N.Ireland or some of the more redneck parts of the US would it be a matter of great public concern.
And as Setanta has said my religion and my nationality are two very different things.
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