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Post by Blue Angel on Jan 31, 2008 16:19:07 GMT
and i should say that i feel mysel inclined to agree with him on some points - the flag and national anthems do not define any country absolutely and the tricolour is only our flag through a series of chances and coincidences in any case to a large extent. In a future united ireland if having a flag that is neither the tricolour or the union flag then that is not a big leap for me to make either.
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Post by Jim on Feb 1, 2008 15:35:05 GMT
It would be a big leap for me to make.
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Post by earl on Feb 1, 2008 16:22:51 GMT
It would be a big leap for me to make. Well which would be more important to you, the tri-colour, or a UI? |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 1, 2008 16:34:40 GMT
Froma Unionist point of view it would be very hard for me to change the Union Jack, but if it meant remaining within the UK then fair enough. From a republican/nationalist point of view Earl has forwarded a good arguement to do with this.
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Post by Jim on Feb 1, 2008 17:55:57 GMT
It would be a big leap for me to make. Well which would be more important to you, the tri-colour, or a UI? A united Ireland obviously, I'm saying it would be a big leap, not a leap too far. I'm reluctant as I see the tricolour as the legitimate flag of all Ireland, I always will. Maybe people in the south would care less on the matter because they havent had it threatened over the years, so it probably means more to us in the north than most in the south where its taken for granted. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 1, 2008 19:30:59 GMT
Also if an agreement was reached on the matter before a united Ireland I would expect the NI flag to change from the union jack into something more equal for the duration of the states existance, fairs fair!
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Post by Harry on Feb 2, 2008 8:25:28 GMT
A United Ireland under the flag that symbolises peace between green and orange. Earls post sounds just like home rule to me and we've evolved way past that. Catch yerself on mate. That flag represents nothing of the sort |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 2, 2008 11:06:48 GMT
Why then are tri-colours up here at least green white and 'gold' in colour if it is meant to be orange?
If you think it is for both traditions then you are completely wrong.
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Post by Jim on Feb 2, 2008 17:32:20 GMT
Why then are tri-colours up here at least green white and 'gold' in colour if it is meant to be orange? If you think it is for both traditions then you are completely wrong. Green white and gold is more poetic, its used by musicians mainly. The constitution says its green white and orange. |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 2, 2008 19:03:30 GMT
Jim it must be used by most republicans in N.Ireland as well as musicians because most tri-colours I see are green white and gold, not orange.
The tri-colour symbolizes the ira to Unionists and it certainly symbolizes fuck all to do with us.
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Post by Blue Angel on Feb 2, 2008 21:04:42 GMT
for wasp and the unionist members -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_flag
for me the important point there is though that it is not though the tricolour has ALWAYS been seen as the Irish flag. Indeed as the article points out it was not even standarised till fairly far on in it's history. If the Easter Rising had not occurred the traditional green flag with a harp might still be in use for example or the blue flag that preceded that which is used as the presidential standard nowadays.
On a personal note I've alway thought both the tricolour and union flags to be both ugly and not very aesthetically pleasing.
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Post by Jim on Feb 3, 2008 1:06:01 GMT
Jim it must be used by most republicans in N.Ireland as well as musicians because most tri-colours I see are green white and gold, not orange. The tri-colour symbolizes the ira to Unionists and it certainly symbolizes fuck all to do with us. Never said it did have anything to do with you. Article 7 The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange. www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/static/256.htm |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 3, 2008 13:32:30 GMT
Why are most tri-colours if not all that I have saw in N.I green white and gold instead of orange?
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Post by Jim on Feb 3, 2008 14:36:52 GMT
Where?
On lamp-posts, the colour orange eventually fades because of the weather.
Lyrically, have you ever heard the term "nothing rhymes with orange?"
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Post by Wasp on Feb 3, 2008 18:11:29 GMT
So the colour orange fade to gold within hours of being put up??
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