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Post by Blue Angel on Jan 6, 2008 22:31:54 GMT
wasp blueman made it quite clear on many occassions here and elsewhere that he means all irish people in his little diatribes. He is talking shite - i could give you cogent reasons why he is by breaking his post down but it would not be worth the trouble. And the idea that Britain has been allowing genocide to go on up the north is just laughable... if he hates the British system that much the next obvious question would be why bother to give any loyalty to it?
As to been in a minority the northern state was founded by giving speciaf favours to a minority....
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Post by earl on Jan 7, 2008 11:27:51 GMT
What a load of sectarian, bigoted drivel.
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Post by tp on Jan 19, 2008 19:18:34 GMT
Ratzi the Nazi has a whole bunch of O'Irish Nazis hellbent on turning Ulster into the same Mono-Religious, Mono-Cultural, Mono-Political .........
In fairness, it isn't just Ratzinger, but the rcc for centuries that wanted the dominant roll and control of religion and thus politics too. This would also include the north of Ireland. Ignatius Loyola formed the Society of Jesus (the Jesuit order) to counteract Luthers 1517 reformation.
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Post by Jim on Jan 20, 2008 5:12:48 GMT
Nazi ideas where floating throughout Europe at this time so what makes you or blueman think they would be any more successful than British nazis or Norweigen nazis or or any other country that where nazism didnt win?
I dont like the RCC, I hate it more than Paisley does, do dominant religions mean nowt to me honestly. None of this is relevant to todays politics, the RCC has taken a back seat even in the south.
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Post by Blue Angel on Jan 20, 2008 19:03:59 GMT
there was this fellow whose name escapes me right now who had this saying about ignoring the beam in your own eye.... i think he was some jewish chap....  |
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Post by tp on Jan 20, 2008 19:47:36 GMT
there was this fellow whose name escapes me right now who had this saying about ignoring the beam in your own eye.... i think he was some jewish chap.... Could this be the same Jewish chap that said by their fruits ye shall know them? ;D |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jan 21, 2008 6:55:45 GMT
yep - and i figure that quote is applicable to all religions - there is not one mainstream religous group that has not persecuted another at some point as pointed out above. The reason unionists (or to be fair some unionists) pick the Catholic church to particularly demonise I've always felt is that it allows them a sense of moral superiority over their neighbours. It also fails to engage with reality, people like Blueman who posted that stuff on Calton are incapable of discrimination -instead of criticising sectors or parts of Irish society both past and present he just throws a lot of vitriol about, it shows no knowledge of irish society as it is today at all either.
I personally am the wrong person to get to defend any religion as I believe all of them are scams, con jobs instituted to allow a select caste a special authority they do not deserve, whether that be priest ministers etc. If there is a God which I most seriously doubt in any case I see no reason why he would care all that much about someone been Catholic, Protestant,Muslim, Jewish, Hindu.........
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Post by Wasp on Jan 21, 2008 12:22:35 GMT
The Catholic church is not only 'picked' on by Unionists, the truths about them are being pointed out all over the world. Take AMERICA for example. Does this pointing out equate bigotry, of course not although some may do that. Why are you so worried about anyone pointing out the facts that the Catholic church has been both directly and indirectly involved in murdering millions???
Do you just want people to keep quiet about the biggest and probably most brutal church in the world. If you are so concerned at what is being said, take it up with the vatican and ask them.
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Post by Wasp on Jan 21, 2008 12:53:16 GMT
There is no perfect church anywhere and all have faults, all have been involved in wrong doing, but the Catholic church tops the bill by along shot as far as Christianity is concerned.
I am talking about historically and modern day especially if you include the last century.
I wasn't referring to you setanta about taking things up with the catholic church, I was referring to BA who is athiest yet feels the need to defend anything being said about Romanism. The charasmatic movement belongs to the Protestant group and I couldn't care less what anyone says about them. But it is funny that alledged non-Catholics have to defend a religion that they don't believe in.
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Post by earl on Jan 21, 2008 13:13:10 GMT
There is no perfect church anywhere and all have faults, all have been involved in wrong doing, but the Catholic church tops the bill by along shot as far as Christianity is concerned. I don't suppose you'd care to back this up with any facts? Anything at all! |
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Post by Jim on Jan 21, 2008 13:18:39 GMT
I'd agree with him, to be honest.
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Post by Wasp on Jan 21, 2008 16:36:53 GMT
Ok. Did the anglicans directly order these deaths like say the catholic church and the inquisition? How were these deaths caused by the anglican church even indirectly? What were the other things even outside influences that brought about the penal laws either rightly or wrongly? Does the anglican church still have teachings/doctrine that supports these deaths or anything to say it is ok to kill a Catholic in the sameway the Catholic church says it is basically ok to kill a Protestant?
BTW the anglican is in many ways close to the RC Church so I really am not bothered what you say about them and I have no problem condemning any church including my own. None at all.
But were they responsible, I think if you look at the vatican and the utashi then 1 million is relatively small compared to the deaths caused by the Utashi or the nazis for that matter.
And Pope JP II was beatifying one man who killed all those who refused to convert to Catholicism in a south American country. And this was during a visit to the country.
Was this a Church? Is this a church which represented all or most Protestants?
quote]Is any Church not guilty of what you so strongly accuse the Catholic Church of? Yet you never ever mention them[/quote].
Very few Churchs are innocent through the ages especially in centuries gone by, but how many has still got official doctrines supporting those things and infact would support them agin??
None more than the Catholic church which still holds the same beliefs and principals. Fortunately for the rest of us they no longer hold the same power that they used to.
LOL, I think you would need to take that up with millions of people worldwide instead of just Unionists. I have no problem condemning any Church and I certainly wouldn't belong to any church that continues to have the same teachings that allowed/supported and ordered people being butchered and tortured. I have no problem going through the wrong doings of any Christian church or people, but I am afraid the RC Church tops the bunch by a long shot and continues to do so to this day in more ways than one. Do you disagree with that?
BTW I do not hold the belief that all priests etc are perverts and evil, nor do I think all Catholics are evil etc. I am talking about church doctrine and unlike the vatican I do not hold people now responsible for the wrongdoings of people from centurie ago no matter whether it was a priest, layman, queen, king, pope etc. But if the same teachings are still there then I am going to say and point out there sheer hypocricy when they talk about peace etc.
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Post by Wasp on Jan 21, 2008 23:16:45 GMT
Setanta could you do the same then when you are leveling accusations at the British government and security forces as well as Unionists etc because you would be better leveling your accusations against governments,security forces, private armies because you'd be closer to the truth and THEN YOU wouldn't be open to accusations of binkered thinking to suit your own agenda or plain bigotry against anything British etc.
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Post by Wasp on Jan 22, 2008 18:56:12 GMT
Yep it sure is terrible what various religions did throughout the centuries, sure is terrible what the English and Irish done throughout the centuries. But we can hardly blame todays British/Irish for what happened a few hundred years ago. Funny republicans seem to want Unionists to move on and forget what happened within the last three decades nevermind a few hundred years.  Did I ignore them?? When please tell me, although wilkpedia isn't exactly a reliable source where you are guaranteed absolute fact. Oh I don't mind discussing it at all, but it is a long time ago. Did it only happen in Catholic fields etc? I think Chesney falls into that bracket and although I have never personnally heard with my own ears it is historical fact that priests ordered the murder of Protestants and blessed those who did. Anyway back to Catholic doctrine. Read below: "And all heretics, of both sexes and of every name, we damn to perpetual infamy; we declare hostility against them; we account them accursed, and their goods confiscated; nor can they ever enjoy their property, or their children succeed to their inheritance [punishing the children!]; inasmuch as they grievously offend against the Eternal as well as the temporal king [the pope]."
According to Decreti, pars ii. causa xxiii. quaest v. can. xlvii:
"Those are not to be accounted homicides who, fired with zeal for Mother Church, may have killed excommunicated persons."
Every Protestant is a heretic.
Why not? Why do you so vehemently concentrate on the British and N.I Unionists??
Who me? FFS it is a historical fact they were linked, while at the sametime there were those within the Catholic church who opposed them. Would it be fair to say most countries living under dictatorship throughout the years were mainly Catholic countries. Take Ireland, maybe not a dictatorship but by fuck many priests knew exactly how to be cruel to Irish Catholics especially children. Infact its utterly disgusting. Funny how Irish Catholics are of much less importance to the vatican than say American Catholics. Try reading about it.
Now this will be interesting, infallible decisions contradicting other infallible decisions. Truth doesn't contradict truth. Is he going to repeal the convicted war criminal who JP beatified in 1998?
So this Protestant church ordered and carried all this out. Absolutely disgusting and sickening if true. I hope if that church still exists that they have deeply apologised for anywrong doing of the Church in bygone years. It won't change what happened but at least the church would be showing remorse and doing what it can to put things right.
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The new Code of Canon Law was published by the authority of Pope John Paul II in 1983. It claims to be inspired by the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) and to put its reforms into concrete form. According to Canon 752, whenever the Pope or the college of bishops makes a declaration concerning faith or morals, “the Christian faithful” are required to submit their intellect and will to it. Furthermore, they are required to avoid anything that disagrees with it. Canon Law has punishments for such criminals. It refers to these punishments as “a just penalty.”
According to Canon 1311, the Catholic Church has the right to coerce “the Christian faithful” who do things contrary to Canon Law. Canon 1312 says that penal sanctions can include depriving people of spiritual goods (such as the sacraments) and temporal goods (things that people need for life on this earth). During the Protestant Reformation, the Catholic Church penalized Protestants by depriving them of their property, their freedom, and their life. On November 1, 1950, Pope Pius XII issued a papal bull defining the dogma of the Assumption of Mary. This says that Mary was taken bodily up into Heaven.
The Pope ended by saying that it is forbidden for any person to oppose his declaration, or to say anything contrary to it. He said that any person who attempts to do so will incur the wrath of God, and the wrath of the Apostles Peter and Paul.
Canon 1371 says that “a person” who teaches a doctrine that has been condemned by a Catholic Church council is to be punished. The Council of Trent condemned every single doctrine that was proposed by the Protestant Reformers.
Canon 1366 says that “parents” are to be punished if they allow their children to be educated or baptized in “a non-Catholic religion.”
According to Canon 665 (Section 2), monks and nuns who leave their religious community without permission, desiring to get away from the power of their superiors, are to be “sought out” in order to “help” them return and “persevere” in their vocation.
They are hardly going to come out publically and repeatedly mention this stuff now are they. Think on the damage it would do. No they would rather talk about world peace while at the sametime have such twisted and evil doctrines all reviewed and renewed in the last few decades nevermind century.
Glad to hear we are providing you with good news.
Fuck we all know your strategies change, you go from bombing and shooting, kidnapping and torturing, abusing children to complaining about a mug with Princess Diana on it, yous even search the internet to see if yous are offended or not. Then you fully support the 'occupation' (from a republican viewpoint and legitimize the British prescence in Ireland) by signing up to support crown forces. Funny you just couldn't simply answer what I said, maybe it is because it looks and sounds bad. But at least you see it similar to yourselves. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jan 22, 2008 19:13:22 GMT
the nonsense in that post could only come from n.ireland where a bizarre and unhealthy fascination with the catholic church seems to exsist in some minds.
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