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Post by Harry on Oct 26, 2007 17:34:50 GMT
Islamic terrorists, insurgents in Iraq, the Taliban, Iran etc etc. Do republicans have sympathy for these groups and how do they feel about the London bombings by al qaeda?? Can Britains enemies also be your enemies???
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Post by Jim on Oct 26, 2007 18:29:16 GMT
Islamic terrorists as in al aqaeda? No.
Iraqi insurgents, I feel have more legitimacy than other groups, Britain and the US shouldnt be in Iraq in the first place. But otherwise couldnt really care about them.
Taliban, not fond of them.
Iran has had words with Britain and the US the past few years and while what they do in that country is not right I dont really care about it either I think its hypocritical of other countries to say no to nuclear power in Iran while Bush was signing legislation for "mini" nuclear warheads to be produced for american use.
I dont have sympathy with those groups, I would have more sympathy with groups in Palestine and Lebannon that are fighting over national struggle moreso than idealogical and religious.
Not just because they are Britains enemies, that doesnt even come into the equasion.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 26, 2007 18:34:56 GMT
While Britain etc should not be in Iraq, the fact is the Iraqi government want them there as do alot of the people which means they are wanted and welcome. But there are many who don't want them there.
Jim on Palestine are you being serious when you said it is national struggle moreso than idealogical and religious??
FFS man get real. Goto alot of pro Palestianian websites and look at the drawings of Jews as being pigs etc. Look at the indiscriminate attacks on Isrealis, look at how much they hate the Jewish religion and even their Koran has hate filled comments against the Jewish race.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 26, 2007 19:36:11 GMT
the iraqi govt. is a puppet govt - it would say the moon is red and yellow ith little pink dots if it was told this was the answer that the pupetters wanted to hear. What a holy books has something rude to say abou another religion - wow NOTHING like that in the bible is there at all....
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Post by Jim on Oct 26, 2007 20:19:48 GMT
Jim on Palestine are you being serious when you said it is national struggle moreso than idealogical and religious?? FFS man get real. Goto alot of pro Palestianian websites and look at the drawings of Jews as being pigs etc. Look at the indiscriminate attacks on Isrealis, look at how much they hate the Jewish religion and even their Koran has hate filled comments against the Jewish race. Everyone has acknowledged the reason Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, Hezbollah etc have existed is over a national situation, not a religious one. I'm not saying religion isnt part of it, it is, but for the most part it is a national struggle. They dont exist to preach islam, they exist to bring about a nation on land they see as rightfully theirs. Have you ever read the Qur'an Wasp? I mean properly, not just seeing contradictious text on a few websites. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 26, 2007 20:50:16 GMT
i'd say there is as much of positive value in the q'uran as in the bible so long as you apply a slightly sceptical eye to both and remember both slag other groups as they are trying to justify the actions of the groups they were written for.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 27, 2007 0:11:31 GMT
Blueangel is this the same puppet government that ordered enquireis into deaths caused by American security firm?
Does the bible refer to anyone as dogs??
Obviously republican mindset is with that of terrorists so if it is a sectarian terrorist organisation that is opposed to democracy more than likely republicans will support it. Jim maybe you shopuld read more on what Islamic extremists in neighbouring countries have to say about Isreal and Jews in general.
While Britain, America and Isreal have made many many mistakes and done things which I condemn it is obvious repubnlicanism and tyranny go hand in hand.
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Post by Jim on Oct 27, 2007 1:45:36 GMT
Aye and you should read more on what Israeli nationalists have to say about muslims and arabs in general. Works both way, that lark.
If you want to think republicanism and tyranny go hand in hand, thats your problem, just remember we arent the ones occupying other countries.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 27, 2007 7:09:30 GMT
I'm not sure the bible does or does not call anyone dogs but it uses equally unflattering terms for various groups let us not forgt and justifies genocide, mass rapes and ethnic cleansing at several points as they were ordered by the 'lord.' Ordering an investigation is easy -but what were the actual results....
The Iraq govt. is for all effective purposes a puppet govt. It's army for example is limited deliberately by mutual agreement between the US and UK.
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Post by Harry on Oct 27, 2007 8:01:20 GMT
Firstly i doubt any of you on here have ever been to Iraq, i have, i've witnessed it at first hand. The people who simply want peace and who support the presense of UK/US forces are the majority but when it comes to headlines its those who kill themselves and innocent people that grab the headlines. Iraqis want their country back, for now they support UK/US troops but ultimately tribal leaders always insisted that all troops must leave and let Iraq be run by Iraqis. I don't believe we should of been there but at that time i bought into the WMD so i was wrong. Now we are there we owe it to the people to have a go at finishing the job and not just bail out on them.
The Taliban stopped the Heroin......your having a laugh. Afghanistan is a different story from Iraq. Nato made a commitment to the Afghan people to rid them of the Taliban but unfortunately so called allies have proved to be complete bottleless and are playing a major role in allowing the taliban to re emerge. If the likes of France,Germany pulled theri fucking fingers out and committed so muscle to the operation more resources could be dispatched to stopping the heroin trade but most resources are being used to combat the taliban and criminal elements are being allowed more freedom to exploit the opium trade. German soldiers can't go out after dark!!! You call these fucking Soldiers, i call it a complete disgrace, only UK/US forces will tackle the Helmand province backed by small pockets of dutch,polish,estonian troops. Nato calls for more from the bigger countries and France and Germany offer a few more commanders to train troops. They are a disgrace to NATO and want the protection NATO offers but aren't prepared to chip in when the going gets tough. Fucking maggots.
The UN is another toothless tiger. To slow to act and not enough muscle to do anything anyway. Its always the same countries prepared to fight and die and the same countries shying away and remaining neutral.
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Post by Jim on Oct 27, 2007 15:25:58 GMT
Iraqis want their country back, for now they support UK/US troops but ultimately tribal leaders always insisted that all troops must leave and let Iraq be run by Iraqis. I've never met an Iraqi online or in real life that supports the UK US troops. I've met a fair few, in Belfast, and there are even some in my classes and the war has come up in discussions many times (considering its a politics course). |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 27, 2007 15:55:03 GMT
I never said differnet and like any wars or conflict there is always those on both sides who have this mindset. But would you agree that Islamic fundamentalists carry the majority of the blame concerning this? No it is not a problem, it is simply fact. , No you's just stayed at home and attacked defenceless unarmed people with bombs and bullets.  |
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Post by Jim on Oct 27, 2007 15:59:48 GMT
So why where you just pointing out the racism from the big bad arabs? No I wouldnt agree, Israelis are just as nationalist, just as racist, and just as aggressive. We just dont hear of it.
So did your army, so whats your point?
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Post by Wasp on Oct 27, 2007 15:59:52 GMT
I couldn't agree more Harry and I also bought the story which is why I am so angry about Britains weakness concerning some African states and some of the Arab states. I know a few who have been and they are saying similar to what you have said. Way to go Harry.  You took the words out of my mouth. Funny how these neutral countries are only to happy to have the very Brave British and American forces to take all the risks while they reap the same benefits without lifting a finger. |
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Post by Jim on Oct 27, 2007 16:01:52 GMT
They shouldnt be taking the risks. Shouldnt be sending men into other countries to line their own pockets. The war was a sham and we all know that now, some of us just didnt buy into it in the first place, when millions of British took to the streets.
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