Selective Censorship exists in this Forum

[An Fear Dubh]

I do not know if my computer settings are different to Wasp or others but I can not access or view any topic heading that displays the rules as initially laid out in this forum.

But I do remember reading them very closely. I do not recall reading anything about having your voice censored or posts deleted or moved to another place. Nor do I recall a rule regarding staying on topic.

Is there a rule about staying on topic? Please use quotes.

If this new rule now exists, why then is it not consistant to all posts? How come it is not allowed to bring politics into soccer but soccer can be brought into politics. And surely some other threads now deserved the same ham-fisted treatment. To at least show that the 'Original Administrator' is totally inept equally and fairly across the various strands of politics here.

If the 'original administrator' is not able to follow logical debate and to identify how, or where the topic began to move away from the original topic. Then he/she has shown an inability to be in a position of control, and needs to taken the adult decision and resign. At least before they get told to go!

I at least need a statement of intent from the administrators.

Is this the way that this forum intends to continue - to censor selectively?

Will there be further inept attempts to moves debate from one subject heading to create another one. In the desire to create an interesting appearance?

[Wasp]

I am not admin AFD, but I can't find the flamin rules either as I was going to copy and paste them for you. I don't wabt to speak for admin or anything like it, but moving posts was like an unwritten rule on the way forward. If topics went way off thread or were not serving the purpose of the thread they were sometimes removed and copied to a new thread. I don't believe for a minute that it was politically motivated as in they were moved because it disagreed with a Unionist view or whatever.

Believe it or not you sound a bit like me when I first joined the way forward.

[An Fear Dubh]

Wasp I appeciate your help. But to be honest it is not help because you do not have the answers I need.

I accept that it may have been an unwritten rule, I accept it may have been 'human error'. But I want it made exactly clear what it was I do not want guesses or personal interpretations.

If it is human error then that person needs to step forward and admit to their incompetence. And it is now evident that they have not the ability to be an administrator. They can not follow debate from the starting point or to the end. They can not be consistant, they have been selective.

It is irrelevant what political views this person has, they are incompetent. I have a fair enough idea who was responsible, but rather than guessing and showing everyone the logical conclusions I am giving this person the opportunity to escape. But they need to do this as soon as possible, and that means damage limitation.

Because they have messed up the thread, 'Our Wee Country' that needs to be deleted, it is not because of the topic, but because it is now messed up by their stupid interference. I thought I was winning the debate hands down in that thread, but that is irrelevant.

We need the 'rules' in the first topic heading 'Town Hall' and these should be the only rules. No 'unwritten' should be allowed. If the administration want to move evolving debates into new headings for athstetic reasons they they can do that. But they should make sure first that they have the technical ability to do these things and nothing should be deleted from the old thread until a statement of intent or agreement has be reached with the posters involved.

[Wasp]

Ok fair enough but what do you mean you have a fair enough idea who was responsible? We know who was responsible.

On the winning hands down bit, I could say the same as in I was winning hands down, but IMO that should be completely irrelevant to any upset or anger as in why the posts were removed. I will leave it to admin and me being me I will probably be at loggerheads with them anyway sooner or later.

[bearhunter]

When the site started weren't the rules plastered across each topic as a sticky? Or am I imagining things again? If we could get the rules reposted, it might make life easier, although I think you're overreacting a tad, AFD. I sincerely doubt it was intentional.

[Wasp]

bearhunter said:

When the site started weren't the rules plastered across each topic as a sticky? Or am I imagining things again? If we could get the rules reposted, it might make life easier, although I think you're overreacting a tad, AFD. I sincerely doubt it was intentional.

Youv'e been on the wack stuff again, haven't you?? ;D ;D

Seriously though I think they were posted.

[An Fear Dubh]

Maybe you are right Beerhunter that I am over-reacting now. But my objective is to lay down a frame work for the future. This person has shown themselves incapable of administrative work on this forum. And we need to ensure that this cowboy approach does not become acceptable behaviour. As the next time it might be more serious.

[bearhunter]

Fair enoughski. Perhaps a start would be a return of the rules sticky on each section.

[An Fear Dubh]

Yes having the 'rules' where visable would be a start. And could it also be made clear if there are 'unwritten' rules like Wasp suggested that there was. Can we expect more 'human errors'? Is it the intention of administrators to move discussions from one topic into other topics without notice? And given that this administrator lacks technical know how will he continue to have his finger on the delete button. As it is obvious no one is safe!!

And what corrective action do the administration intend?

[Harry]

It was me who deleted your posts and also WASPS. If i only deleted yours and left WASPS then i'd see why you have reacted in such a child like way. There is no function to split the threads like we previously had before so i couldn't do that or i would of. At a quick glance 3 threads were almost identical with the debate heading the same way.

I deleted the posts that weren't relevant to the thread, APOLOGISED to you both for doing it and started another thread FOR YOU and copied a link so you could carry on the debate under a more suitable thread.

If other members would like to give their views on whether they believe i was being selective then i'd like to hear them, cos at the minute i'm struggling to grasp this reaction or over-reaction. 2 people had gone way off topic, 1 Unionist,1Republican......both their posts were deleted equally and a new thread started where they could carry on the debate. If my actions in some way where against one side or the other then plese let me know if you feel this way because i will reflect on what i done and maybe not bother next time if it causes this much fuss.

I was only trying to keep a thread dedicated to N.Irealnd football team separate from the overspills from 2 other threads. Sport section for sport etc etc. I aplogise to you personally AFD if you feel i have targetted you in some way but that was never my intention.

[Harry]

AFD, Sport is for simply sport. No political debates should take place in that section. Its like a section where we should all be able to go and congratulate or rip the piss out of each others teams.

other threads in other sections were debating about n.ireland fans, neil lennon etc etc and they were all way off topic as well. I decided to clear up the sport section as there is no place in there for political debate and i hoped that by creating a new thread about windsor etc that maybe all the other threads would perhaps fall back into place naturally without any need to interfere. i don't want to be deleting anybodys posts and yes threads always go off on different course but if they are happening in the correct sections then sometimes you go with the flow and let the debate carry on.

If my actions make me inept, stupid, foolish, not good enough for admin then fair enough but i only tried to help push things i the right direction.

[Bilk]

harry said:

AFD, Sport is for simply sport. No political debates should take place in that section. Its like a section where we should all be able to go and congratulate or rip the piss out of each others teams.

other threads in other sections were debating about n.ireland fans, neil lennon etc etc and they were all way off topic as well. I decided to clear up the sport section as there is no place in there for political debate and i hoped that by creating a new thread about windsor etc that maybe all the other threads would perhaps fall back into place naturally without any need to interfere. i don't want to be deleting anybodys posts and yes threads always go off on different course but if they are happening in the correct sections then sometimes you go with the flow and let the debate carry on.

If my actions make me inept, stupid, foolish, not good enough for admin then fair enough but i only tried to help push things i the right direction.

I totally ageree with Harry on this, everywhere else in the country there are attempts being made to take religion and politics out of sport, why should this site be any different. I don't think we should need a rule to promote that, it should be the wish of everyone.

[mactalla]

A forum is like a private club. It belongs to the owners, who are free to run things as they see fit. It is not a democratic entity.

If you don't like their choices....then leave.

[An Fear Dubh]

Yes a forum is like a private club, but the mission statement of intent had been to allow both republican and loyalist views to be heard equally. If this is no longer the case and this is only for Unionists and mild mannered nationalists then at least be honest and say that.

Sport and politics can not be seperated, and to think you can seperate them is a niave concept. And a very big debate, which I would be happy to show using countless examples as to why. But at the moment this is a side issue to censorship.

I trust you can reference a dictionary, and that under the term censorship, you will recognise your actions. If you want to line everyone up in this forum to say, yes Harry we believe you. How does that take away from the fact that you deleted? If your intention was to tidy up the forum into nice neat packages, then why have you not continued with that approach? I see Alliance brought soccer into a political debate in the section 'Ask a Republican', why was this not deleted or moved to another new section? Sorry where did you move those posts, oh yes you 'accidently' deleted them during transfer. My 8yr old daughter would not make such an error! If you were trying to sort out the section how come you did not try to move Leesides post which was the starting point? And given your personal views on Windsor Park is it not even more strange that you were so selective in what went missing?

If you felt that great a need to package every section into orderly lines. Might it not be an idea to ask those involved in the wandering off topic to re-focus and suggest that a new area be created. And you could help and facilitate them as a good administrator. A good administrator does not go off half cocked and deletes as he/she sees fit. Because they might have a personal bias that comes into play, let us just say subconsciously. A good administrator gives warnings of intent, to allow adults to act as adults.

If this is 'human error' then clean up your mistake, if it is not then let it stay the way you want with a Unionist dominated slant.

[Harry]

anfeardubh said:

Yes a forum is like a private club, but the mission statement of intent had been to allow both republican and loyalist views to be heard equally. If this is no longer the case and this is only for Unionists and mild mannered nationalists then at least be honest and say that.

Sport and politics can not be seperated, and to think you can seperate them is a niave concept. And a very big debate, which I would be happy to show using countless examples as to why. But at the moment this is a side issue to censorship.

I trust you can reference a dictionary, and that under the term censorship, you will recognise your actions. If you want to line everyone up in this forum to say, yes Harry we believe you. How does that take away from the fact that you deleted? If your intention was to tidy up the forum into nice neat packages, then why have you not continued with that approach? I see Alliance brought soccer into a political debate in the section 'Ask a Republican', why was this not deleted or moved to another new section? Sorry where did you move those posts, oh yes you 'accidently' deleted them during transfer. My 8yr old daughter would not make such an error! If you were trying to sort out the section how come you did not try to move Leesides post which was the starting point? And given your personal views on Windsor Park is it not even more strange that you were so selective in what went missing?

If you felt that great a need to package every section into orderly lines. Might it not be an idea to ask those involved in the wandering off topic to re-focus and suggest that a new area be created. And you could help and facilitate them as a good administrator. A good administrator does not go off half thingyed and deletes as he/she sees fit. Because they might have a personal bias that comes into play, let us just say subconsciously. A good administrator gives warnings of intent, to allow adults to act as adults.

If this is 'human error' then clean up your mistake, if it is not then let it stay the way you want with a Unionist dominated slant.

If you would get off your big fucking high horse and stop thinking your that much better than everyone else and read what i wrote about the other topics. I was well aware that other threads had gone off topic and all of them were pretty much heading the same way so i chose to act in the sport section hoping the others would fall back into place without the need to interfere.

You have a big chip on your shoulder and the constant need to try and make yourself feel important by trying to belittle others with your acid tongue or fingers should i say!!! Simple matter is that i did it and if you or anyone else feels the need to pollute the sport section with debates that should be taking place elsewhere then i'll do it again....end of. Not bothered what side of the divide you come from, its not going to happen in the sport section.