Ahern and Paisley open Boyne Center

[earl]

The link also includes the news clips from both their speeches, a history of the Bertie/Paisely relationship, and a clip on the facillities at the centre itself.

[Wasp]

ahhh If only such respect was reciprocated.....

ahhh if only republicans like yourself would practice what you preach and show some repsect yourselves, maybe you could start with the monuments that you commemorate, monuments of scumbags who went out with the intention to kill and maim members of my community in cold blooded cowardly attacks. Yet you build monuments in there memory.

[Wasp]

No you change the friggin record, how many times have you moaned about this so called respect being reciprocated etc??? Look in the mirror before you point the finger.

Comparing your politics is easy, your party is linked to various extremist organisations and has done for decades, it supported/took part in cold blooded sectarian murders, it creates and maintains tensions, it tells many lies, for years it was far from democratic and hadn't a clue what democracy is, it tried to bomb and shoot people into submission with the our way or no way attitude, it commemorrates dissidents, promotes children wearing ira commemoration tops, it all to often was cowardly etc etc. Need I go on?

[Wasp]

For starters this centre is a big part in Irish history which included bothsides, it does not represent 3 decades of sectarian cold blooded attacks on the people in the republic, it does not represent those who want to kick the Irish out with the old Irish out line like the Brits out, it does not represent those who refused to accept democracy and tried to bomb and kill thousands of innocent people, it does not represent dissidents etc etc. The list is endless.

1916 AND 1798 represents the above so why the fuck should we want to celebrate something that represents that.

[Wasp]

There is funding from Unionist councils for gaa sports including functions being held for them at council offices, there is the st pats day celebrations etc etc etc.

[Blue Angel]

logically wasp if you want northern ireland to be a success then there would be funding for commeration of historical events of importance to both sides and your understanding of the events and forces with regards in particular to the 1798 rebellion there is seriously flawed. You are proving setanta's initial point more and more every time you post another comment in this thread. The battle of th boyne is a major event in irish and british history, i am glad to see the irish govt. becoming mature enough to take that on board and events like world war one (especially with regards to the latter which was perhaps inevitably but sadly airbrushed out of irish history for some years) 1916 and 1798 are also BOTH major events in irish and british history and that is all setanta is saying when he asks for parity of respect, that both sides admit the validity of the other's traditions (at least in the other side's eyes)

[Wasp]

logically wasp if you want northern ireland to be a success then there would be funding for commeration of historical events of importance to both sides and your understanding of the events and forces with regards in particular to the 1798 rebellion there is seriously flawed.

Not IMO, I view sucjh celebrations in the exact sameway I view the tri-colour in N.I and that it represents the ira who attacked my community in barbaric sectarian attacks for decades.

You are proving setanta's initial point more and more every time you post another comment in this thread. The battle of th boyne is a major event in irish and british history, i am glad to see the irish govt. becoming mature enough to take that on board and events like world war one (especially with regards to the latter which was perhaps inevitably but sadly airbrushed out of irish history for some years) 1916 and 1798 are also BOTH major events in irish and british history and that is all setanta is saying when he asks for parity of respect, that both sides admit the validity of the other's traditions (at least in the other side's eyes)

Again I am sure if the battle of theboyne site and commemorations represented the uvf who bombed Dublin etc the irish gov. may have looked at the matter differently. But it is not and the vast majority during the troubles of those who commemorate it are not in the uda or support the uda or linked ot the uda. The same cannot be said about republican commemorations. FFS they even commemorate dissidents but condemn the dissidents of today.

[Wasp]

Well said BA.
WASPy how well did the non-Anglican people of Ireland fair out of the Battle of the Boyne?... ahh I could go on but you don't know your history so there's no point debating with you on this subject

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If there is no point debating it because unlike republican apparently I don't know my history then why bring it up? You are just once again swiping at your assumption of my lack of education and trying to belittle me because you assume I am not educated and not capable of debating with you because you know your version of history and I know fuck all.

Look WASP, where did being Dr No get Paisley?

Where did bombing and shooting innocent people get sinn fein/ira?

Always on the fringes shooting his mouth off, being a pain and never offering alternatives. He became the leader of Unionism when he acquiesced to power sharing and Northern Ireland is attrecting investment it never would have imagined without power sharing.

Sinn fein/ira were on the fringes shooting off guns and detonating bombs killing and maiming thousands of innocent people.

Bobby Mac then tried to be Dr No and he ended up in the fringes mouthing out of him. After next years European Elections Jimmy Allister, the current Dr. No, will lose his seat and he'll be left on the fringes mouthing out of him and offering nothing.
And when you see all of this negativity, failure, and embarressment you still want to tie into it?

Do you usually try to convince people with your tarot cards, you are assuming alot of things here, not facts.

Well OK then you can be this Forums Dr No and you'll end up on the fringes, mouthing out of you, giving your sabre and good aul rattle now and again, and never ever acheiving anything and every single position you adopt in this rejectionist mindset will be defeated and you'll join McCartney and Allister on the Flat Earth Failure Fringe.

Again madame setanta you are assuming alot here. But then again I would rather be a dr no as you describe than supporting without condemnation the killing/maiming/torturing etc etc of innocent men women and children. For 3 decades the ira never listened and they are still not listening and either is sinn fein. You all pretend you are listening but really it is simply more spin, more lies and more deceit while having these halos above your heads trying to brush the truth under thee carpet.

[earl]

May 9, 2008 20:36:13 GMT Wasp said:

For starters this centre is a big part in Irish history which included bothsides, it does not represent 3 decades of sectarian cold blooded attacks on the people in the republic, it does not represent those who want to kick the Irish out with the old Irish out line like the Brits out, it does not represent those who refused to accept democracy and tried to bomb and kill thousands of innocent people, it does not represent dissidents etc etc. The list is endless.

1916 AND 1798 represents the above so why the fuck should we want to celebrate something that represents that.

To us the Battle of the Boyne, and Augrim, and the betrayal by the British in reneging on the Treaty of Limerick and putting this country into penal servitude under the laws which followed was the true start to our poverty, humiliation, dispersion around the world and accumulated in a famine which the population is only starting to recover from today. The outcome of that battle hailed the rise of the Protestant Anglican ascendancy, which gave them freedom and religious liberty alone. Catholics and Presbyterians got fcuked.