CUBA

[Jim]

No it doesnt, but I'm sure he wouldnt mind it either

In saying that Chavez has legitimacy that Castro doesnt have, too.

[Jim]

I would like to know where Americas sanctions are against the "president" of Pakistan who is also Chief of the Pakistani Army i.e Military dictatorship.

They can't bully the big countries, you see, so they stick with keeping the smaller countries on their knees, like Cuba.

[Wasp]

Jim at the end of the day Bush needs Pakistan. On Cuba you said if you want to see socailism in action look at Cuba with this so called first class healthcare, then when you were proven wrong it is now all America's fault, leeside backed some of whta was said concerning health and again you blame America.

This company Escambray, based in Cuba that has every product that you can find at Home Depot or any other US chain. The only difference is that they sell only to foreigners.



Now lets look at a Buffet at the Bucanero Hotel, where no Cubans are allowed and no ration cards are required.



Now take a look at The refrigerator of a typical Cuban family, with the few items that they can buy using the ration card.



Or here is the address of Castor's own bank. HAVIN BANK LTD, 30 Marsh Wall, London, E14 9TP, United Kingdom and here's a map to its location.

www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=havin-bank-ltd&near=London,+UK&sa=X&oi=local&ct=title

It is believed his fortune is worth 900 million dollars. Now he has his mansions, his hotels and restaurants for tourists but nothing for his own people who are even restricted in where they shop. Now the embargo never stopped him building these things so why couldn't he do something more for his own people. Or is that selective when it comes to balaming America??

[Jim]

Ahhh, I get it! Bush needs Pakistan, so he'll be friendly to the military dictatorship while in Cuba he's starving thousands and he's went to war in Iraq over "democracy". Nice!

I dont think I said "first class health care", but lets look at it this way. First class health care in an economically poor country is not going to be on par with First class health care in an economically rich country, so you cant compare them to developed nations, they dont have that capacity in the first place and there is one reason for it. I wasnt proven wrong and have said America is to blame from the very start for Cubas money problems. So you are wrong there.

This company Escambray, based in Cuba that has every product that you can find at Home Depot or any other US chain. The only difference is that they sell only to foreigners.

Yes, thats called pandering to tourists. While your at it why dont you post some pictures of the Hilton hotel, and then some images of the Falls or Shankill road. No one in those areas would be able to afford the best room there, would they? Different levels of poverty standards in different countries.

What exactly is he doing with 900 million dollars? He doesnt look like the picture of health does he, those green army clothes dont look like Armani either. You said those dealings, for example, banking, is done in other countries i.e UK. That proves my point. Economically nothing comes in or our of Cuba, tourism is one of their biggest (if not) the biggest revenue in the country, what is spent on this or that is made up again and lets be honest here its not like capitalism gives everyone a slice of the cake either is it? The poverty in Cuba is relative to its economy.

Fact is Wasp, your posting pictures of Cubas poverty, but you dont accept America is the problem. Why is the most economically powerful country in the world keeping Cuba in poverty? The embargo does a lot more than your letting on, your more concerned with the personality figure and his dealings than the real reason Cuba is in the shits.

[Wasp]

America is not keeping themin poverty, they are not helping either. But its simple Jim if Castro can allow tourists in these hospitals then why not locals, if he can build plush hotels for tourists then why not adequate housing for locals???

How can you blame America for Castro not allowing his people to use these hospitals, how can you blame AMerica for him selling so much cement etc, how can you blame America for him building hospitals, donating equipment etc to other countries, how can you blame America for all that?

If Stormont built posh hotels and hospitals yet didn't allow locals to at least use the hospital what would you say. If there were ordinary Cubans living in ordinary areas then I would post the pics, you are trying to say that I am comparing the hilton with the falls or shankhill as an example on Cuba. This is not the case because we know while we have many deprived areas we also have many better off areas. Does Cuba?

[leeside]

WASP, I think the pictures you posted are a bit on the propaganda side. I mean, there are refrigerators in Ireland that would be equally bare I'm sure. To post a picture of an empty fridge in a poor persons house and then compare it to a buffet that would cater for dozens of people from one of the most exclusive hotels in Cuba is misleading to say the least. Not everyone is Cuba is poverty stricken. Not every fridge in Cuba is bare like that. Far from it! I have stayed in houses all around Cuba and we were always fed well by the owners with a mixture of fish, fruits and vegetables. I have been to open markets where there is an abundance of different foods used solely by Cubans. Of course they don't have the selection of foods that we have but generally speaking they are a healthy well fed bunch. The Cuban people as a whole aren't doing too badly compared to some of the poorer countries in South America. Its all relative. You cannot compare them to us. Plenty of other countries around the world offer better services to its visitors than its citizens. I've seen this all around South East Asia too.

[Wasp]

Fair pojnts leeside but I cannot understand for the life of me why locals have different hospitals than tourists.

[Jim]

Because tourism brings in the most money, so they have to accomodate for Joe Foreigner.

[Wasp]

jim said:

Because tourism brings in the most money, so they have to accomodate for Joe Foreigner.

Jim that is a very side step answer where you are avoiding the truth here. Tourists do bring in money but why are these hospitals not for Cubans also???

[Jim]

Its not a side step answer, its just how it is.

Tourists = Money, the basis of their entire economy. You wont get a lot of tourists if you cant provide for them. Its sad but true.

What else do you expect them to do when they cant import or export with some countries because they are not allowed? Its going to keep coming back to those blockades, every time.

[Wasp]

Jim that is still not answering the question. Why do they not allow Cubans to use the hospitals that the tourists use?? Money does not come into it at all.

[bearhunter]

wasp said:

Jim that is still not answering the question. Why do they not allow Cubans to use the hospitals that the tourists use?? Money does not come into it at all.

You ever turned up at a private hospital demanding treatment on the NHS? Money so does come into it.

[Jim]

Exactly what I was going to say.

Wasp next time you've broken your arm or leg or hurt yourself or arent feeling well go to a private clinic and see what they say to you.

[leeside]

wasp said:

Fair pojnts leeside but I cannot understand for the life of me why locals have different hospitals than tourists.

WASP, this happens in plenty of countries. Its all about money. If you visit Cuba and get sick they will send you to a really nice hospital and it will cost you a fortune. If you are Cuban and get sick you are sent to a shit hospital that doesn't cost anything. This practice is not unique to Cuba.

[Wasp]

Ok let's look at it a different way then. Why not build better hospitals for Cubans then instead of the shite hospitals they currently save treatment.