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Post by Harry on Oct 18, 2007 16:39:52 GMT
How do/did people view them?? Did they serve a purpose and keep crime under wraps or were they merely a case of bully boys controlling the community??
I'm mixed about it to be honest. I certainly had no sympathy for the Dealers,house breakers, muggers etc when they got a taste of rough justice and felt some of them rightly deserved it. On occasions though being judge,jury and executioner had serious consequences for innocent peple wrongly accused. I still know now of many people still going to the UDA,UVF etc with social troubles instead of the police so i'd imagine the IRA still get many calls from their community to dish out some justice???
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Post by Jim on Oct 18, 2007 17:17:05 GMT
It depends.
I've no sympathy for any of those people either and especially not joy riders, me mams had to phone plenty of times to get it sorted out because the police just couldnt control the situation and over christmas they where burning cars right outside our house and the house was being filled with smoke. Fucking not on would beat them myself if I caught one of the cunts.
When I worked as a security guard I was given the numbers to various community watches, republican and loyalist, as well as the direct number to the police.
In saying all that, I dont want to see the feckers shot either, that goes across the line.
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Post by bearhunter on Oct 18, 2007 19:49:55 GMT
"merely a case of bully boys controlling the community"
You hit the nail on the head there. I've never been averse to a bit of ciommunity-related vigilantism, but not on an organised basis like the paras had. If someone needs sorting, the community will usually get around to it, happened all the time in my home town. We didn't need to bring in the pathetic unemployable gobshites whose one shred of self-esteem came from being part of a bigger gang of bullies than the criminals.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2007 18:16:25 GMT
What a load of bollocks. The ira protecting property ha ha ha. Now that is a joke. The ira abused more children than anyother paramilitary force in N.Ireland. Now that is something to be proud of, loyalists are known to have abused more women and again that is somewthing to be proud of.
Your post just really sums up why sinn fein being inviolved in gov to do with health and education etc should never be allowed. With their track record of supporting/playing part in the abuse of children and helping fill hospitals with their bombs and bullets.
I will give sinn fein credit for something though and that is they have one hell of a brass neck on them. Until they can at the very least condemn many if not all of these attacks then they should have fuck all to do with health or education. The hypocricy and double standards is unbelievable. But hey lets condemn Unionists for things like blocking the Irish language act and things like that while ignoring or own evil cruel deeds. Hypocrites.
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Post by Jim on Oct 19, 2007 19:47:16 GMT
Where did you hear that one Wasp? Through the grape vine?
Weither or not you think SF should not be allowed in government is irrelevant as long as we will vote for them.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2007 21:23:52 GMT
Nah not thropugh the grapevine which you would like to believe Jim, just Cain and a few others. Here is some of what it says.
"Punishment" shootings of children, as well as brutal assaults, are much more prevalent in Northern Irish society than had previously been thought
These are carried out principally by the UDA/UFF, the Provisional IRA and the UVF
The Provisional IRA has targeted children to a greater extent than is the case with Protestant paramilitaries
Paramilitary child abuse has actually worsened in the last few years as compared to the years immediately preceding the Good Friday Agreement.
Your vote your choice and if you vote for those linked to tyranny and those who believe in trying to bomb and shoot people to get their way then that is entirelyy up to you.
Anyway to do with your punishment attacks comment. Look at what your heroes and the great protectors of your community did to a child with special needs. How on earth do you republicans try and sell the spin about ira policing. They are a bunch of satanic fucking cowards who tortured and abused kids FFS or is cain etc wrong???
"One of them pulled an iron bar from inside a jacket and hit him across the face." This was the opening blow of a "punishment" attack on a 15 year old child. The beating, which involved five masked men believed to be members of the Provisional IRA, took place in a home in the strongly nationalist New Lodge area of north Belfast on Sunday, 11 March 2001. The boy, who has special needs and admits to juvenile delinquency, was taken to the bedroom where he was struck with iron bars for twenty minutes. The blows were mainly to his head and upper body.
His jaw was fractured during the attack. Traumatised, disfigured and barely able to speak, he was taken to hospital. Because his mother voiced her outrage and despair, the name of the boy, George McWilliams, featured momentarily in the columns of the nationalist Irish News (see report, 12 March 2001).
Between 19902 and 2000 the ira shot 36, 14 to 17 yr olds, loyalists shot 35.
Between the same dates Assaults on Children and Juveniles were the ira 111 and loyalists 75.
Loyalists also shot 1 under 14 and beat 3 under 14's.
Loyalist terror groups were responsible for 33 of the 56 serious assaults on women between 1990 and 2000; republicans accounted for the other 23.
During much of the 1990s the frequency of these attacks was about one every month. (The two exceptional years in the middle of the series were 1995 and 1996 when republican paramilitaries "compensated" for their temporary abandonment of shootings by increasing the use of beatings.)
This was from 2001. The first story about the special needs child just makes me even more confused at how republicans can defend ira justice dished out on members of there own community then complain about wrongful arrests, homes being searched etc etc. How anyone can praise these scum and claim there was no other choice is absolute bollocks and just shows the republican mindset of those who do.
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Post by Jim on Oct 20, 2007 0:33:22 GMT
Nah not thropugh the grapevine which you would like to believe Jim, just Cain and a few others. Here is some of what it says. "Punishment" shootings of children, as well as brutal assaults, are much more prevalent in Northern Irish society than had previously been thought These are carried out principally by the UDA/UFF, the Provisional IRA and the UVF The Provisional IRA has targeted children to a greater extent than is the case with Protestant paramilitariesParamilitary child abuse has actually worsened in the last few years as compared to the years immediately preceding the Good Friday Agreement. Your vote your choice and if you vote for those linked to tyranny and those who believe in trying to bomb and shoot people to get their way then that is entirelyy up to you. Anyway to do with your punishment attacks comment. Look at what your heroes and the great protectors of your community did to a child with special needs. How on earth do you republicans try and sell the spin about ira policing. They are a bunch of satanic fucking cowards who tortured and abused kids FFS or is cain etc wrong??? "One of them pulled an iron bar from inside a jacket and hit him across the face." This was the opening blow of a "punishment" attack on a 15 year old child. The beating, which involved five masked men believed to be members of the Provisional IRA, took place in a home in the strongly nationalist New Lodge area of north Belfast on Sunday, 11 March 2001. The boy, who has special needs and admits to juvenile delinquency, was taken to the bedroom where he was struck with iron bars for twenty minutes. The blows were mainly to his head and upper body. His jaw was fractured during the attack. Traumatised, disfigured and barely able to speak, he was taken to hospital. Because his mother voiced her outrage and despair, the name of the boy, George McWilliams, featured momentarily in the columns of the nationalist Irish News (see report, 12 March 2001). Between 19902 and 2000 the ira shot 36, 14 to 17 yr olds, loyalists shot 35. Between the same dates Assaults on Children and Juveniles were the ira 111 and loyalists 75. Loyalists also shot 1 under 14 and beat 3 under 14's. Loyalist terror groups were responsible for 33 of the 56 serious assaults on women between 1990 and 2000; republicans accounted for the other 23. During much of the 1990s the frequency of these attacks was about one every month. (The two exceptional years in the middle of the series were 1995 and 1996 when republican paramilitaries "compensated" for their temporary abandonment of shootings by increasing the use of beatings.) This was from 2001. The first story about the special needs child just makes me even more confused at how republicans can defend ira justice dished out on members of there own community then complain about wrongful arrests, homes being searched etc etc. How anyone can praise these scum and claim there was no other choice is absolute bollocks and just shows the republican mindset of those who do. Then show me where on Cain you read that ? Punishment shootings on kids I'll take for granted you mean those wee cunts at 14 that are breaking into houses and into cars and settin them on fire outside peoples doors, very nice. Next time your at your local PSNI office, ask them do they advise people to ring community watch and look at the smile drop on their faces. Unless you want Belfast to turn into a second fucking, Moss side or something. Full of drugs and dodgey dealings by kids aged 15. Special needs which can be defined as anything doesnt make them innocent. Its spin. If I where to vote for a party linked with tyranny, I'd vote tory. If you prefer, we could praise the police instead, they take them down the nick, and let them go after a few days to start harrassing people again. Is that the type of place you want to live in? Where you report some cunt thats been hassling the entire community, the police come out and say "we cant do anything"? Maybe for you, not for me. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 20, 2007 17:04:56 GMT
Goto Cain and look for
PROFESSOR LIAM KENNEDY
QUEEN’S UNIVERSITY, BELFAST
AUGUST 2001
Now good to see you defending the ira on hitting a child with special needs then call it spin. Unbelievable.
On the police you have complained often enough about their house searches and car searches trying to prevent terrorist attacks, where there tip offs is sometimes false and sometimes correct. The same terrorists who were blowing defenseless people up, shooting unarmed people etc etc and yet you agree with the punishment dished out to vandals and thieves. Again unbelievable.
So what do you support now because the police are doing the samething when these kids are lifted??? I thought republicans were very much into campaigning for human rights so I take it that doesn't include defenceless children?? On this republicans have no right whatsoever to complain about human rights when they support the horrors of abuses inflicted on the human rights of children.
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Post by Jim on Oct 20, 2007 17:30:14 GMT
Wasp the way you portray a child with special needs you'd think they where wheelchair bound deaf and dumb, thats not the case. You dont even know the fucking case.
I do agree with it and rightfully, try living in Divis and then tell me you dont. They are defenceless children wise up they're running around with knifes and all sorts, hardly defenceless.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 21, 2007 0:56:18 GMT
Setanta you may fool some but not us all. Obviously the ira are under close scrutiny so they have to watch their every move. So what is the difference in how police deal with these people now and say 5 years ago?  |
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Post by Jim on Oct 21, 2007 1:25:51 GMT
The police do fuck all. Thats the whole problem!!!
You phone them, they come out an hour later when the hoods have came and went, and say theyll look into it, slump into their car seats and drive their fat arses to the next call out.
If they done something, people wouldnt be calling paramilitaries. The majority of people accept the psni, and they will use them if they see them as being useful.
Since I've been living in Manchester theres been a dozen odd killings, loads of rapes, and probably thousand car thefts. They dont have paramilitaries in the community rooting out trouble makers and look where it gets them. Your safer on the falls road than you are in Fallowfield (not the student part). I can do and have walked the entire length of the falls after a night out to get home, if I done that here in England I'd be looking to be mugged or stabbed, or even shot. Its fucking wild here and if thats your idea of law and order then you can keep it.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 21, 2007 18:07:26 GMT
Was there not a man beaten to death yesterday and his family are blaming the ira??
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