Will these people ever alow the victims closure?

[Bilk]

Victims' chief plan derailed by Sinn Fein


The search to find a voice for Ulster's victims was last night mired in further farce, as the accelerated passage of the revised Victims and Survivors Bill came off the rails at Stormont.
Sinn Fein put the brakes on moves to hurry through legislation to ratify the appointment of the Victims' Commission. It opposed an amendment to the Bill which would have created a "chief commissioner".

www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Victims-chief-plan-derailed-by.3961394.jp

[Wasp]

I listend to this on the radio this morning, but what else should we expect from sinn fein?

The education minister was a class act this morning, apart from being tied in knots over her role she dug more holes for herself than enough. Even people who voted yes to the gfa were wanting a reurn to direct rule because of Clouseau, oops I mean education minister. I must tune in more often to the morning radio show.

[Jim]

Have never heard the SF education minister on the radio give anything but a clear annalysis of education and where it needs to go.

Direct me to some of these GFAers wanting direct rule, counts a bit like a catch 22 to me.

[Wasp]

No I blame sinn fein for the delay. Jim she was far from clear, she was muddled and couldn't give a direct answer. Many people text and phoned in and of those some were supporters of the gfa 10 years ago but said because of her they wanted direct rule back if this was how things were being handled, and some because the parties here were incapable of running the place and were more concerned about point scoring.

Is this the same person who fucked up on the pay for those classroom assistants??

[Bilk]

There is a need to return to direct rule, I cannot see anything other than green issues being sorted here. It appears that only green policicie (and I'm not tlaking the environment here) get any hearing whatsoever. The DUP have suddenly clammed up and are saying little or nothing, much as the UUP did. They are like a rabbit caught in the headlights of a car. This is moving towards a UI by stealth. SF oppose anything that wasn't proposed by them, that is not power sharing that is power stealing. And the unionists sit back and watch them do it. Decision by consensus that is the funniest joke I've heard this year.

[earl]

they wanted direct rule back if this was how things were being handled

I don't understand that attitude (in the general case rather than the specific here). Why in blazes would anyone want an unelected civil servant, who knows nothing about your region and who has no ties with the region to run their affairs in stead of taking charge for themselves? One of the arguments for colonialism was that the 'native savages' were to ill prepared to look after themselves, so the colonial motherland had to do all the thinking for them. It would seem that some of the natives in NI have swallowed this line hook and sinker and would rather let someone else do the job than taking charge themselves.

[Bilk]

earl said:

they wanted direct rule back if this was how things were being handled

I don't understand that attitude (in the general case rather than the specific here). Why in blazes would anyone want an unelected civil servant, who knows nothing about your region and who has no ties with the region to run their affairs in stead of taking charge for themselves? One of the arguments for colonialism was that the 'native savages' were to ill prepared to look after themselves, so the colonial motherland had to do all the thinking for them. It would seem that some of the natives in NI have swallowed this line hook and sinker and would rather let someone else do the job than taking charge themselves.

I see someone who knows nothing about my region and therefore has no axe to grind a plus at the moment. You know my view on the treatment of victims. The trouble with SF is that they are only looking after themselves. They are embarassed by the victims issue, they want a veto on the issue, if they don't like whats coming out they can veto it. Under normal political circumstances I would agree with you.

[Bilk]

setanta said:

wasp said:

No I blame sinn fein for the delay.

Please explain.

Bilk you'd prefer a return to direct rule because your political reps are incompetant? Vote for those that aren't!!!

The problem unionists have setenta is that they are trying to work the unworkable. If something comes up that sounds logical they vote for it. SF attitude is to only vote for green issues. like cross border schooling for instance. All the political reps of this country at the moment are inept. the System n place stymies any possible movement, and makes them inept. One party can scupper anything as it stands, nothing of any significance will ever get done. SF are driven by a fear of the truth ever being known. Thar's the basis on which they accept or reject anything.

[Bilk]

On the subject of the GFA and power sharing, I note that in todays news that many of those who were up to their neck in arm twisting of the UUP, have refused an invitation to return here for the 10th anniversary celebrations. I wonder why? oh I forgot Tony has a very important family birthday party, ah now I understand.

[Bilk]

setanta said:

bilk 4 EQUAL Commisioners were agreed.
If a relative of someone killed on Bloody Sunday (as an example) was appointed Chief Comissioner then Unionists will be miffed.
If a relative of someone killed on Bloody Friday (as an example) was appointed Chief Comissioner then Nationalists will be miffed.
Because they'll always be working under a shadow of suspicion that they are representing their own interests rather then the interests of all victims.
So 4 EQUAL Commisioners were agreed.

Setenta, the amendment was proposed by the Alliance party, on the grounds that in it's present form the commission was unworkable, and in my opinion they were right. Now we can surely not be calling the Alliance rabide unionists.

[Wasp]

Excellent posts Bilk, you have hit the nail on the head. The problem for sinn fein is that before they were able to keep a low key after an ira atrocity until of course something happened that they could twist around and come out shouting. Today they don't have there few seats to hide behind like before, now they are under public scrutiny and they cannot handle a few home truths being pointed out to them. I hope the disappeared issue is now raided and pushed and pushed as far as it can go.

Sinn fein have reaped what they sowed and the more these things are pointed out the better.

[earl]

bilk said:

earl said:

I don't understand that attitude (in the general case rather than the specific here). Why in blazes would anyone want an unelected civil servant, who knows nothing about your region and who has no ties with the region to run their affairs in stead of taking charge for themselves? One of the arguments for colonialism was that the 'native savages' were to ill prepared to look after themselves, so the colonial motherland had to do all the thinking for them. It would seem that some of the natives in NI have swallowed this line hook and sinker and would rather let someone else do the job than taking charge themselves.

I see someone who knows nothing about my region and therefore has no axe to grind a plus at the moment. You know my view on the treatment of victims. The trouble with SF is that they are only looking after themselves. They are embarassed by the victims issue, they want a veto on the issue, if they don't like whats coming out they can veto it. Under normal political circumstances I would agree with you.

Just to clear it up, I did say in the general case other than the specific case. I agree with what you've said for this specific case. A person who has no emotional luggage or personal attachment would be needed for this.

[Bilk]

Apr 10, 2008 12:59:03 GMT @setanta said:

bilk said:

The problem unionists have setenta is that they are trying to work the unworkable. If something comes up that sounds logical they vote for it. SF attitude is to only vote for green issues. like cross border schooling for instance. All the political reps of this country at the moment are inept. the System n place stymies any possible movement, and makes them inept. One party can scupper anything as it stands, nothing of any significance will ever get done. SF are driven by a fear of the truth ever being known. Thar's the basis on which they accept or reject anything.

can I have an example please?

This is a prime example, one party votes against and it falls, every other party in the assembly was for. This is a blatant example of what I mean.

[Jim]

Apr 10, 2008 18:05:10 GMT Wasp said:

Excellent posts Bilk, you have hit the nail on the head. The problem for sinn fein is that before they were able to keep a low key after an ira atrocity until of course something happened that they could twist around and come out shouting. Today they don't have there few seats to hide behind like before, now they are under public scrutiny and they cannot handle a few home truths being pointed out to them. I hope the disappeared issue is now raided and pushed and pushed as far as it can go.

Sinn fein have reaped what they sowed and the more these things are pointed out the better.

Reading the BBC today Sinn Fein represented by Marty, along with Ian Paisley representing the DUP, have done quite well over in America and have brought in something like £155 million of investment, only a sign of things to come.

so they definitely have reaped what they sowed.

[Wasp]

Jim I think you are on a complete different wavelength here.