Murder in South Armagh

[Jim]

At least loyalists were up front about their envolvement but not this scum.

lol

[An Fear Dubh]

Now here is someone that Wasp might believe.
u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=85543&pt=n
Victims` campaigner Willie Frazer said:"I have no love for the IRA but if the IRA didn`t sanction this there is no point in me standing here and saying they did. But that doesn`t mean there is no republican involvement here. Republicans have to take responsibility for what they have created, they need to deal with it."

The point I have made before that those who pretend that the IRA are involved in such actions need to be able to distinguish between, republicans and those that have past themselves off as republicans. And abused the republican cause for personal gain or to settle other scores, some of those scores were sectarian. The reason they can not distinguish between republicans and those that pass themselves off as republicans is because it does not suit their political agenda or sectarian bigotry.

I must say I am surprised that Willie Frazer has come out publicly to say this.

Now the rumours are that Mr Quinn was the driver of the lorry (or one of those accompanying the lorry) that broke down in Lisburn near the Saintfield Rd, and that was full of illegal fuel and was then set alight by the driver and those following. I can not say if these rumours are true or not and the family has denied these claims. But these are the rumours.

[bluedog]

So you're saying there were no IRA members involved in any way with this murder?No Sinn Fein members involved in it either.It will be interesting to hear from the family who have threatened to name the individuals if action is'nt taken against them.

I hear the Sinn Fein membership forms being ripped up as I type.

Youre corrupt assembly is crumbling we won't need another party to destroy it ,the thieves and murderers have done it themselves. ;D

[Wasp]

What is the difference in this familys word and the word of families who alledged a shoot to kill policy when one of their loved ones were shot by the security forces?? Or when any family has claimed collusion almost instantly?? Surely the same logic has to be applied.

If you say collusion did happen or circumstances etc, people such as bluedog can say the ira did butcher people by beating them to death and they have been in these circumstances before.

[Jim]

The difference is hard facts. The family is going on suspicions. What is the point in having a police force in modern northern ireland if we're going to go on witch hunts?

[Wasp]

Setanta as far back as I can remember there were quite a few cases on the news where the family were immediately claiming collusion. This family because of threats made to their son, the fights he was involved in and whatever else are blaming the ira. It may or may not be true but this is a CATHOLIC family and not a Protestant one so I find it hard to understand why you reject their claim so quickly.

[Wasp]

Setanta it was a simple caps error, it was not intentional to highlight it. FFS mate how on earth am I to think back to hundreds of news items and go that's right that family said this and that.

I have heard many times on the news things like the family blame the uda/uvf/ira/inla/collusion etc etc almost immediately after an attack without any facts or at least similar facts to what you are dismissing. What you are saying is like me asking you what did you do in 1992 around october time.

It is not as far as I remember these claims happened often where people were blamed almost immediately.

[Wasp]

PS the phrase far back as I remember means quite a long time, not as in as far as I remember which is if memory serves me correctly. See the difference?

[Wasp]

Do you remember the news that day and the names of those the news mentioned??? Well at least you see the difference.