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Post by Harry on Oct 24, 2007 13:45:50 GMT
How many Unionists actually want to get invoved with the GAA?? Very few i'd imagine. How about this......Keep your GAA, run it how you like,call your grounds,cups whatever you like. Its a nationalist body with nationalist ethos. As a Unionist i must respect the rights of others to promote their own cause. Getting Unionists involved in the GAA is merely another way to try and bring in a UI through the backdoor, another way of introducing Irish nationalism into Unionism and simply a new public friendly approach to bringing about the conditions where a UI is more acceptable. It isn't acceptable. Ever
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Post by Harry on Oct 24, 2007 13:57:47 GMT
Great bring down barriers, no problems with that. Just don't be under any illusion that Unionists will flock to play GAA cos they won't or that those who do will somehow see the light and become proud Irishmen overnight cos that isn't going to happen either. I will actively discourage any Unionists from playing GAA and will treat those who do as outcasts.
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Post by Republic on Oct 24, 2007 14:02:30 GMT
I will actively discourage any Unionists from playing GAA and will treat those who do as outcasts. Probably opening up a can of worms but why? |
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Post by Republic on Oct 24, 2007 14:04:25 GMT
Are you trying to drive me from these forums? tangents are my speciality! OK back on topic now   |
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Post by Harry on Oct 24, 2007 14:06:15 GMT
I will actively discourage any Unionists from playing GAA and will treat those who do as outcasts. Probably opening up a can of worms but why?[/quote It promotes Irish Nationalism, supports everything i'm against. Why would i want to get involved with the GAA or want anyone i know to?? Its a sporting body for the Nationalist community and a very successful one at that. Hats off to the GAA for how its run and how many people get involved. Its just not for Unionists or anyone who is serious about the Union. |
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Post by Harry on Oct 24, 2007 14:09:14 GMT
Great bring down barriers, no problems with that. Just don't be under any illusion that Unionists will flock to play GAA cos they won't or that those who do will somehow see the light and become proud Irishmen overnight cos that isn't going to happen either. . Well if you had faith in your fellow Unionists Loyalty, the tiny few that will play GAA, then why are you going to do this. I will actively discourage any Unionists from playing GAA and will treat those who do as outcasts. I'm dead serious, I don't get this mentality. It's like "jealous boyfriend mentality". In my experience, telling people they can't and shouldn't do something, when it's perfectly legal and they're perfectly entilted to do that thing, will usually make them all the more determined to do it. If you try to hold on too tight you'll crush what you're trying to hold on to.- an ex-girlfriend told me that when I was an insecure teenager and I'll always live by it. You have to have faith and if you don't you know it's wrong. Ok cheers for the advice If the GAA change and become disassociated with Irish Nationalism then let any Unionist join if they want, until then its not acceptable. |
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Post by Harry on Oct 24, 2007 16:51:21 GMT
and you'd still actively dissuade unionists from playing? Even though you'd have every faith in them staying stauncly Unionist? Unionist problems with the GAA have been well documented but it seems these problems aren't worthy or understood. We have no right to have problems with grounds, cups etc named after IRA/INLA men. We shouldn't have a problem with the association or support of hunger strikers or the use of facilities to stage rallies in support of the hunger strikers. We shouldn't haven't a problem with its support of a united ireland. what we should do is bring down the barriers and forget all this and live happily ever after and play gaelic games. Jesus i don't like to be sarcastic but some on here talk about the GAA as if its a cross community group and lambast those who oppose Unionist participation as being jealous or in someway bigots. As i've said before and again and again and again, the GAA is where the problem lies, its not ready for Unionist participation and Unionism doens't even want to participate so FFS get on with your own organisation. We haven't needed to play GAA in the past and we most certainly don't need to play it now. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 24, 2007 18:52:15 GMT
It is just more of the same, thinly veiled reaching out which makes Unionists look the bad ones if they reject while their main reasons are ignored.
There maybe would be but I can't really see any Unionist taking part as things stand apart from a few kids and people who know no different.
As in some of its rules and transform it into a more modern sporting body, but as you will have already read I said these are not things that I am asking or expecting. You left that bit out so it leaves what I said out of context.
Setanta none of this makes a differnece to me and most other Unionists. You are simply sidestepping the issue.
Another ridiculous comment. Is there any cups/trophies/fields etc named after Jewish terrorists who attacked and killed ordinary muslims. If there was how many muslims do you think would take part. Other faiths don't come into it, you are simply tring to show that the gaa welcomes all by once again using ridiculous examples. Like muslims go and watch parades and they are welcome to join bands etc so hey that makes bands open to all and welcoming to all even if there are some bands named after loyalists. So with your logic it is aprt of our culture so it is nationalists/republicans who are being awkward and picky.
Try and stay with the facts on this subject as you are only trying to use other faiths as examples of tolerance when we both know other faiths and beliefs are not part of the problem.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 24, 2007 18:55:30 GMT
Setanta worte 'In my experience, telling people they can't and shouldn't do something, when it's perfectly legal and they're perfectly entilted to do that thing, will usually make them all the more determined to do it.'
Exactly and that is why the ira helped strengthen Unionist determination. Setanta you can't have it all ways, supporting violence against people because they disagree with you, because they have a different political outlook then slate Harry for him treating those who take part as outcasts by replying with the above quote.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 24, 2007 18:57:05 GMT
and you'd still actively dissuade unionists from playing? Even though you'd have every faith in them staying stauncly Unionist? Unionist problems with the GAA have been well documented but it seems these problems aren't worthy or understood. We have no right to have problems with grounds, cups etc named after IRA/INLA men. We shouldn't have a problem with the association or support of hunger strikers or the use of facilities to stage rallies in support of the hunger strikers. We shouldn't haven't a problem with its support of a united ireland. what we should do is bring down the barriers and forget all this and live happily ever after and play gaelic games. Jesus i don't like to be sarcastic but some on here talk about the GAA as if its a cross community group and lambast those who oppose Unionist participation as being jealous or in someway bigots. As i've said before and again and again and again, the GAA is where the problem lies, its not ready for Unionist participation and Unionism doens't even want to participate so FFS get on with your own organisation. We haven't needed to play GAA in the past and we most certainly don't need to play it now. Exactly Harry, well said. |
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Post by bluedog on Oct 24, 2007 19:48:23 GMT
Poots is alien as to the thinking of Northern Ireland and Irish League supporters,in fact come to think of it he is an alien have you seen them lugs?  .They're not human. |
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Post by earl on Oct 25, 2007 12:10:49 GMT
How many Unionists actually want to get invoved with the GAA?? Very few i'd imagine. How about this......Keep your GAA, run it how you like,call your grounds,cups whatever you like. Its a nationalist body with nationalist ethos. As a Unionist i must respect the rights of others to promote their own cause. Getting Unionists involved in the GAA is merely another way to try and bring in a UI through the backdoor, another way of introducing Irish nationalism into Unionism and simply a new public friendly approach to bringing about the conditions where a UI is more acceptable. It isn't acceptable. Ever But Harry, no-one is forcing Unionists to play. Those who are currently playing in the games are there on their own accord and because they want to. The GAA would be at fault if it banned these people because of their political beliefs. They are letting these guys play despite those beliefs. Would you agree that if a Unionist wanted to play, he should be allowed like anyone else? |
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Post by earl on Oct 25, 2007 12:46:25 GMT
Great bring down barriers, no problems with that. Just don't be under any illusion that Unionists will flock to play GAA cos they won't or that those who do will somehow see the light and become proud Irishmen overnight cos that isn't going to happen either. I will actively discourage any Unionists from playing GAA and will treat those who do as outcasts. But no Republican/Nationalist is saying that this will lead to a UI! Only Unionists are saying that. It's like an irrational fear of getting too close to anything Irish in case your skin turns green. I love soccer (just using the Americanism to avoid confusion with any ultra GAA heads here!) and like rugby. Does that make me British? No! It's sport. I'll watch and play what I like no matter what country it comes from. Why is there a school of thought within Unionism that too much contact with Irishness will 'turn you'? Now, Unionism isn't the only group with such hangovers. There would be many, many Republicans who would come from the same angle in relation to the Anglisation/Americanisation (as they would percieve it) of Irish culture. I used to think like that actually, back in my firey youth. So I understand where you are coming from. Infact, while now I find your comment about treating them as outcasts a very strong viewpoint, I'd have thought that way myself a few years back. Now that I'm more aware of certain aspects of our history, and about Unionism as a whole, I would no longer think that way. No-one should be an outcast in an inclusive and sociable society. That's exactly what the GAA is saying here too. I hope the GAA in Ulster does more to help accomodate those of a differing political viewpoint. I wouldn't be against changing some of the more controversial names on some of the grounds. Since some Loyalist area's are changing their murals away from strong political or paramillitary styles to something which expresses Ulster-Scots culture, I feel that in some areas, the GAA can do the same with the naming of places. Changing them in the same fashion. |
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Post by earl on Oct 25, 2007 12:48:01 GMT
If you try to hold on too tight you'll crush what you're trying to hold on to.- an ex-girlfriend told me that jeez, you must have had her in some bear hug! |
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Post by Harry on Oct 25, 2007 16:14:03 GMT
How many Unionists actually want to get invoved with the GAA?? Very few i'd imagine. How about this......Keep your GAA, run it how you like,call your grounds,cups whatever you like. Its a nationalist body with nationalist ethos. As a Unionist i must respect the rights of others to promote their own cause. Getting Unionists involved in the GAA is merely another way to try and bring in a UI through the backdoor, another way of introducing Irish nationalism into Unionism and simply a new public friendly approach to bringing about the conditions where a UI is more acceptable. It isn't acceptable. Ever But Harry, no-one is forcing Unionists to play. Those who are currently playing in the games are there on their own accord and because they want to. The GAA would be at fault if it banned these people because of their political beliefs. They are letting these guys play despite those beliefs. Would you agree that if a Unionist wanted to play, he should be allowed like anyone else? I can't stop any Unionist playing GAA. I would only advise anyone i knew who was remotely considering it to take a long hard look at the GAA and see if it actually was for them so in a nutshell i would discourage it. People are talking about these Unionists that play as if there is some significant numbers, that simply isn't the case. Maybe 20-30 individuals and if they play GAA i would struggle to see them as being Unionist in anyway. Earl its not about the sport, its about the GAA as an organisation. Its hard to draw comparasions but i really don't think anyone has a grasp on how Unionism views the GAA. |
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............. You'd welcome a stop on promoting Irishness from an Irish Organisation ....... wtf...... 
