PAISLEY COMES OUT

[bluedog]

From Diana Rusk's article in the Irish News on the 31st July it would appear Big Ian (the sinless one)is for doing another u turn.The Reverend Doctor who opposed House of Lords legislation in 2004 to protect the rights of transsexuals is through his office to bring in the very legislation he opposed.So the Shinners who were unfit are now fit for government,the Rev Good who was bad is now good,and the transsexuals who were evil are now to be protected. So much for "Save Ulster from sodomy" I think now he wants to change "Sammy into Sandra".I always thought wee Willie's natural attire was a skirt

[blueman]

bluedog said:

From Diana Rusk's article in the Irish News on the 31st July it would appear Big Ian (the sinless one)is for doing another u turn.The Reverend Doctor who opposed House of Lords legislation in 2004 to protect the rights of transsexuals is through his office to bring in the very legislation he opposed.So the Shinners who were unfit are now fit for government,the Rev Good who was bad is now good,and the transsexuals who were evil are now to be protected. So much for "Save Ulster from sodomy" I think now he wants to change "Sammy into Sandra".I always thought wee Willie's natural attire was a skirt

The DUPERS are doing more somersaults than a circus clown and are being EXPOSED in more ways than one. First spiritually, then politically and now sexually it would appear that Big Ian and his party were being less than honest in their various campaigns. A stunt party from start to finish but it has worked out well for them as they have went from strength to strengh and amassed a fortune as the gulls who followed them believing their lies have fallen by the wayside. As Harry has pointed out there day has yet to come and there will be some rejoicing in many a Loyalist house when the traitors come crashing down.

[Jim]

Politicians do u turns all the time so why does it suprise you?

[bluedog]

Jim, Big Ian is different,he was more than a politician,he was" Gods man for the hour"apparantly.Big Ian's advantage in politics was his claim to occupy the moral high ground due to his religion and sect.So other unionist politicians were always on the back foot because the electorate foolishly believed Ian,after all they thought Big Ian could'nt lie,he's a minister.

Now the Ulster people know what Big Ian is all about,and the answer is simple .......BIG IAN.

The Ulster people know he has lied through his teeth to get Big Ian to his present position,and subsequently he will be dealt with at the next election.

Now this all raises a very important question for everyone.If Big Ian lied to achieve his political ambitions of power and wealth,is there more than a slight chance he has lied in the pulpit?One day he claims to be Calvinist,however in practice he is an arminian with his arminian doctorate to boot.One day he attacks the Pope,the next he meets his representatives in Ireland.One day attacking sodomy the next authorising financial aid for Gay pride.

I think many people now know the answer to that question hence his empty church.

[An Fear Dubh]

While I have no interest in any religion the attendance at public places - churches can be interpreted in many ways. This being the holiday season, etc. As a Republican I have no doubt that Paisley like many unionist politicians is a hypocrite. But I must acknowledge his electoral mandate, and that of his party. His party's growth and strength has been steady and consistent and the indications are that it will be there for awhile yet. Getting into power is difficult, staying in power is even harder. Any successful politician soon realizes that to stay in power they must adapt and change. There is no ground swell to show a change in the majority of the unionist electorate. Paisley is bedding in and all the indications are that he will receive an increased mandate.

Paisley is no different to any other politician.

His brand and image of politics is designed to appeal to the majority of unionists, and the fact he has obtained their vote is evidence of that. The fact that he plays on the religious aspect and has his own church plays into the unionist culture. The notion that Protestants are God fearing righteous people, who love the pomp and ceremony. We can see this sort of thing expressed in the Orange Order and Christian fundamentalism that belongs back in the dark ages. American presidents also recognize the power of religion in politics and often talk of doing the will of God. Why should Paisley be different, he is exactly the same.

Suggesting that whether Paisley lied on the pulpit is an important question, is silly. Nobody really cares. He will be judged on his actions and the perceptions on whether he delivered for his electorate. The Orange Order seems to be happy there was no protest at 'the field', and there is little evidence to suggest that there is a serious challenge to the DUP strategy. The number of people who attend services or whatever at churches is irrelevant to his electoral mandate.

[blueman]

anfeardubh said:

While I have no interest in any religion the attendance at public places - churches can be interpreted in many ways. This being the holiday season, etc. As a Republican I have no doubt that Paisley like many unionist politicians is a hypocrite. But I must acknowledge his electoral mandate, and that of his party. His party's growth and strength has been steady and consistent and the indications are that it will be there for awhile yet. Getting into power is difficult, staying in power is even harder. Any successful politician soon realizes that to stay in power they must adapt and change. There is no ground swell to show a change in the majority of the unionist electorate. Paisley is bedding in and all the indications are that he will receive an increased mandate.

Paisley is no different to any other politician.

His brand and image of politics is designed to appeal to the majority of unionists, and the fact he has obtained their vote is evidence of that. The fact that he plays on the religious aspect and has his own church plays into the unionist culture. The notion that Protestants are God fearing righteous people, who love the pomp and ceremony. We can see this sort of thing expressed in the Orange Order and Christian fundamentalism that belongs back in the dark ages. American presidents also recognize the power of religion in politics and often talk of doing the will of God. Why should Paisley be different, he is exactly the same.

Suggesting that whether Paisley lied on the pulpit is an important question, is silly. Nobody really cares. He will be judged on his actions and the perceptions on whether he delivered for his electorate. The Orange Order seems to be happy there was no protest at 'the field', and there is little evidence to suggest that there is a serious challenge to the DUP strategy. The number of people who attend services or whatever at churches is irrelevant to his electoral mandate.

Well we care, and the fact that he pretends to be a man of God makes it all the more serious. He has lied to the Ulster Electorate to get into the position of power he now occupies. He is a self serving politican, of that there is no doubt, but if he has lied his way to power how is he to be trusted or believed now that he is in power.

Perhaps Republicans don't really mind being represented by people they cannot believe or trust but the people of Ulster view these things differently. We remember the damage Paisley has inflicted on our community and we remember the damage the Provos have inflicted on our community and it is sickening to see both sets prosper and thrive as they are presently doing.

I disagree with your assumption that Paisley and his DUPERS or LIARS will only get stronger and stronger as I would like to think that both the DUPERS and PROVOS are at the pinnacle of Power and there is only one way from here on in and that is down, down, down. It is also interesting to note how much Republicans now stick up for Paisley and his henchmen, and I think that there are good reasons for that, as they know that Paisley is weak, and could be useful in helping them get their dream of an All Ireland State. All they have to do is offer him more Power and Money and Big Ian will change sides in a flash.

[Jim]

Republicans voted for people we trust in to represent us, thats why we voted for SF in the thousands. Why does unionism not have this same mindset? Why are unionists relying on the elite? Its something loyalists and unionists need to address and start voting on class lines instead of being taken in by lies.

[Blue Angel]

Perhaps Republicans don't really mind being represented by people they cannot believe or trust but the people of Ulster view these things differently. We remember the damage Paisley has inflicted on our community and we remember the damage the Provos have inflicted on our community and it is sickening to see both sets prosper and thrive as they are presently doing.

So republicans are not part of the people of Ulster then?

[Jim]

More of that "our wee country" mentality.

blueman/dog if you dont want me (a republican) part of the state created for you, say so. You've said everything else that would lead up to that conclusion.

Talk about acceptance and tolerance eh? "our wee country we dont want you".

[Blue Angel]

but getting back on track i for one have glad that over the years stupid nonsense like 'save ulster from sodomy' and associated campaigns have slowly become the laughing stock they should have always been. Because after all can anyone recall ANY point in the last few decades when the behaviour of grown men in a private bedroom would have collapsed NI. Not exactly a pressing concern really...

[Jim]

Thats how I feel. Paisley has for once done the right thing.

[An Fear Dubh]

The difference between my analysis and your hopes Blueman is that I have based my analysis in the facts available at present, you wish to live in a future dream world devoid of facts.

The facts are that the DUP has slowly and surely gained in electoral strength. The only credible opposition is the UUP, the PUP and Alliance are still too small to be considered a serious opposition. The UUP still are fumbling about looking for leadership, and until they have strong leadership they are no threat to the DUP. So where does the challenge to the DUP electoral strength come from? The fact that the DUP and Paisley may have lied is irrelevant! If there is no one else offering an alternative to people they have no choice other than to continue to vote for the DUP.

Anybody who believes all a politician says is a naive fool. But the accusation that Republicans do not mind being represented by people they can not believe or trust, is a bit silly. Martin McGuiness is a leading Republican, it is not as if we are like you alienated from the process, we are leading you by the nose and the DUP are helping Republicans.

Republicans have openly said they have a strategy and they are working towards that objective. And while they continue to maintain this strategy and the DUP play along nationalists are happy to vote strongly for Sinn Féin. As Jim pointed out time and time again the SDLP show they have no interest in the wishes of the grassroot nationalists. So where is the alternative to Sinn Féin in the north?

So while I do not try to look into 'crystal balls' like you do, I do look at the facts. If the DUP and SF are at their pinnacle is another gaze into your crystal ball, but I do not know. I might suspect that a few votes and seats maybe be lost and gained, but no significant change will be made. And all the facts point to at least another term in office after this one. Your only hope is that Big Ian gets sick and dies, what does your crystal ball say?