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Post by Harry on Jul 3, 2007 15:40:37 GMT
If the BNP were smart enough to moderate some of their views they could actually make even more gains than they have. They are to extreme for the ordinary person but IMO alot of people sympathise with their views, maybe not openly but i know many people who voted BNP in the local English elections who i wouldn't call racist but who have become frustrated at failures in the immigration system. Further Terrorists attacks by Muslim fanatics will only do the BNP good as they will seek to fan the flames of hate.
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Post by Harry on Jul 10, 2007 15:26:26 GMT
Not having a clue how many immigrants are here, openly admitting that they haven't got a clue and the whole thing is in a sorry mess!!
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Post by Jim on Jul 10, 2007 15:58:32 GMT
No country knows how many they have.
If the BNP got in power they would only know because they would throw them out. They'd kill the country.
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Post by Harry on Jul 11, 2007 15:32:48 GMT
I'm no BNP supporter but i do have empathy with some of their views. We should be looking after our own first before we look after people from any foreign country. We should be tougher on Islamic extremism and not be such a soft touch for these idiots who preach hatred against the UK while living in the UK. I'd send the boys round and shut them up once and for all but thats over the top ;D ;D.... I would however gather evidence on them and then kick them back to wherever the hell they come form and never let them on these shores again.
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Post by earl on Jul 11, 2007 18:40:30 GMT
Another party to further split the Unionist vote! With labour also entering, it makes the next elections very interesting!!  |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 12, 2007 20:50:05 GMT
the vast majority of muslims are not fanatics, i will give you a work related example of how people interact. It may help to point out that placing the Q'uran on a low shelf or floor is considered disrespectful to help this story along and that I run a bookshop for a living. One of our staff was unaware of the above and when tidying up put a copy of the Q'uran on the bottom shelf as there was only one left for sale and he needed the room to put copies of other newer books on the shelves. Ok, about half an hour later an irate middle-aged muslim woman complains and my asst. manageress who is herself muslim apolgises but the woman is a pain and eventually she passes it up to me. I calm the lady down, place the book up on a higher shelf and say sorry and that I was aware of this facet of Islamic culture (as a close ex-girlfriend is Muslim I would be as I remember learning a lot about Islam from her) , now the lady then goes on to berate my asst. manageress as not been a 'real muslim' which annoyed me no end as it's someone i work with every day after all. In the end she left somewhat mollified. The thing was several of my regular customers who are Muslim overheard the whole thing and said afterwards they were mortified and that yes they might themselves have pointed it out but that they considered the woman's attitude and manners dissrespectful and just looking for an argument rather than politely pointing out something. My young male colleague who is devoutly Muslim was of the opinion that it is idiots like this looking to create issues where there is no mailce or desire to cause offence are the root of many of the problems in the world.
My own feeling on immigrants here - one I grew up in an are with a high, high percentage of immigrants - not to be funny but NI has not got a lot of migrants in it relatively speaking and a lot of the people who would seem to be foreign here where as Setanta points out born and raised here as the UK asked there parents to come here - it would be sour grapes to try and moan about them coming to a place you ask em to!
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2007 3:01:45 GMT
Christians are just as annoying as that, especially those bloody catholics. A family member of mine is muslim and didnt even know that. Some muslims like to make up silly rules like that, its mainly elitism. |
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Post by Harry on Jul 13, 2007 10:21:08 GMT
Nobody is saying anything that i haven't. I'm just not going to tip toe around afraid to say anything that maybe isn't quite politically correct. The vast majority of Muslims are good people and the standard of their faith and beliefs promotes only peace and harmony. I don't think all Muslims are bad, i've not made any general assumptions or labelled an entire race or religion.
I'm talking about these scum that turn up at protests carrying placards calling for the death of all non muslims, calling for terrorist attacks, gloryfying horrific incidents. People that preach hatred for our way of life but yet reap the same benefits of that very same way of life.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on Jul 13, 2007 12:43:19 GMT
While I can agree with some of the sentiment expressed by Harry and I am not one that likes this over the top political correctness, that seems madness (manholes should be termed peopleholes etc). There comes a point when you need to step back and reflect.
Statements like "I'm no BNP supporter but I do have empathy with some of their views".
Lends a veil of legitimacy to bigotry and racism. And we should have no tolerance for such views.
The BNP preach hatred but Harry has empathy with them, he then goes on to rightly condemn Muslim extremists who preach the same message in reverse. Surely the two are part of the one thing, and it is strange that Harry can condemn one but emphasize with the other. Surely Harry can see how Muslims might empathize with extremists also, and they are as wrong as Harry's empathy is wrong too.
Now let us put this in a north of Ireland context.
People that preach hatred, that feel one religion is of lower importance and those of that 'lower religion' must be suppressed. Either by dominate displays of the 'superior' religion or by political and economic domination. People that preach that one sexuality is wrong and that one sexuality is an 'abomination'. Are these people also to be condemned or do people have an empathy with their views?
And to what point do you stretch your empathy before you realize it is not empathy but support for racism and bigotry?
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Post by Harry on Jul 13, 2007 14:06:25 GMT
It doesn't lend a veil of legitimacy to anything. Simply because i share some of their views regarding Muslim fanactics doesn't mean i don't think exactly the same of those who preach hatred against all muslims. It is the same thing but just from opposite sides. Some of their views i said, is it not allowed to share some views but find others repulsive???
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2007 14:57:44 GMT
Do you think that's an immigration issue? Do you not think that the UK has tackled these "Hate" Clerics by deporting several and imprisioning others? The UK has a policy of not deporting people if they will face trouble in their home country, so most of these clerics arent deported, they are just put in jail for a while. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Jul 17, 2007 11:01:34 GMT
yes -rearrange these letters to get his name - pain leyps  |
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