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Post by leeside on Jul 15, 2010 22:41:46 GMT
Are you saying that the OO isnt sectarian in nature? I mean if i was part of a strictly white organisation that forbade me to marry a black woman would you consider that organisation racist? I certainly would! Are all religious groups sectarian? Is an order of nuns sectarian as well as discriminating against males? Because you dont agree with a certain organisation, are at times obsessed with that organisation, despize that organisation etc etc it doesnt mean you can throw in they are sectarian by nature to suit your own opinion and agenda. Despise? No, i wouldn't say despise. Just think its kind of outdated and a little too triumphalist for my liking. The major drop in its numbers is evidence that clearly i'm not the only one who thinks so. From 90,000 during its height to 35,000 now i believe. Obsessed? Far from it. Not allowing a member to marry a Catholic stinks of sectarianism to me. The main difference between a religious order and the OO is that religious orders dont insist on marching down roads that are inhabited by those of the religion they are actively encouraged to oppose and then rioting if they don't get their way. In fact bringing the half the province to a stand still if they dont get their way. |
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Post by leeside on Jul 16, 2010 0:15:59 GMT
Letter from the telegraph.......
It's time for Orangemen to change their tunes
Wednesday, 14 July 2010
Having just witnessed my first Twelfth parade for many years, I must say that it was a thoroughly unedifying experience and a sorry advert for Protestantism in this country.
So much for the dignity that we hear espoused by leading Orangemen. There was no dignity in this drunken melee.
The few bands of any musical worth were drowned out by the relentless blood and thunder oufits intent on causing as much noise pollution as they could, while taking turns to urinate up alleyways.
Fortunately, most Protestants want nothing to do with this sort of spectacle, but unfortunately that's not how the outside world sees it. They see this combination of bigotry and buffoonery as representative of our 'culture'.
I must also say that, as a Protestant and unionist, I found most of yesterday's parade loud and obnoxious, so I can understand how it antagonises those in nationalist areas when it passes through, or close by.[/b]
The Orange Order needs to seriously revise and clean up its act and, instead of trying to introduce novelty items into the proceedings, they need to reintroduce more decent traditional bands, pipe, brass, silver, accordion and melodic flute and get rid of the crass blood and thunder crews.
These bands are, of course, more expensive, but surely they could have smaller parades with one good band for several lodges.
Maybe then some dignity will return.
JON M
Lisburn, Co Antrim
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Post by Wasp on Jul 16, 2010 19:21:57 GMT
Oh yes a letter from an apparent Protestant and Unionist?? Take it with a pinch of salt, the facts remain that tens of thousands of people went out and really enjoyed there day with no trouble at all or seeing any trouble at all.
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Post by Jim on Jul 17, 2010 1:40:13 GMT
Are you saying that the OO isnt sectarian in nature? I mean if i was part of a strictly white organisation that forbade me to marry a black woman would you consider that organisation racist? I certainly would! Are all religious groups sectarian? Is an order of nuns sectarian as well as discriminating against males? Because you dont agree with a certain organisation, are at times obsessed with that organisation, despize that organisation etc etc it doesnt mean you can throw in they are sectarian by nature to suit your own opinion and agenda. Yes. All religious groups exclude one another and therefore are sectarian by its very defiition. And yes, nuns are discriminating against males. Yes, it is a gender specific organisation, therefore automatically discriminatory. Not that I'd want to be a nun like. |
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Post by Wasp on Jul 18, 2010 10:15:56 GMT
Are all religious groups sectarian? Is an order of nuns sectarian as well as discriminating against males? Because you dont agree with a certain organisation, are at times obsessed with that organisation, despize that organisation etc etc it doesnt mean you can throw in they are sectarian by nature to suit your own opinion and agenda. Yes. All religious groups exclude one another and therefore are sectarian by its very defiition. And yes, nuns are discriminating against males. Yes, it is a gender specific organisation, therefore automatically discriminatory. Not that I'd want to be a nun like. Jim if I wanted to join a group within any religion that held religious viewpoints and taught these viewpoints then obviously to qualify I would need to be of the same beliefs. That does not make that group sectarian, would it not be classed as sectarian opposing people who wish to join these groups because of their religious beliefs?? |
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