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Post by Wasp on Jul 7, 2010 18:54:23 GMT
I thought it would be better if I started a new thread rather than ask this question on one of the others where the topic could get lost.
Anyway I totally point blank refuse and have in the past refused several times to attend a baptism/first holy communion etc in the catholic church.
Does that make me a one eyed extremist bigot or whatever in your opinion?
Genuine question BTW.
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Post by collina on Jul 8, 2010 13:33:02 GMT
I thought it would be better if I started a new thread rather than ask this question on one of the others where the topic could get lost. Anyway I totally point blank refuse and have in the past refused several times to attend a baptism/first holy communion etc in the catholic church. Does that make me a one eyed extremist bigot or whatever in your opinion? Genuine question BTW. I do attend these services, but with gritted teeth. I loath the RCC for all its nonsense not just the child abuse holocaust. As someone raised as an RC, I wouldn't be the slightest bit saddened if the whole RCC Inc. was erased from the planet. I'd also happily see a certain Rev McCrea entertain the worms. A slime worthy of contrast with the smuggest RC priest. Don't think that makes me an extremist bigot. |
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Post by Wasp on Jul 8, 2010 18:49:08 GMT
No it doesnt Collina, and the funny thing is I know there are genuine priests out there who are absolutley horrified about the abuse scandal and regardless of differing religious opinions it is these priests who are on the same end of the stick as the abusers.
There was one priest on good morning Ulster who was also a victim of abuse and he held nothing back when he was talking about fellow clergy right from the bottom to the top, a good and genuine man who was speaking out unlike many.
Anyway I will add to my question to Leeside although he hasnt answered it for whatever reason and here is my point.
On what I said alone there are those who would accuse me of being a bigot, an extremist who hates everything catholic but when you put it along with the following points it puts a whole new perspective on it.
I left my church over its refusal to baptize my son born out of wedlock even though I didint view infant baptizm as a necessary act.
I have refused to attend church gatherings where people apparently go to an upstairs prayer room and get saved which I find ludicrous.
I now refuse to attend infant baptizm in any Church as I dont believe a child can decide on its beliefs, I am not totally against it as I see it more as a meaningless tradition.
I have refused to stand as a God parent in Protestant Churchs because I dont believe in it.
So my own beliefs and I am not saved cross both Protestant and catholic churchs, the problem for some is how can they call someone a bigot when they oppose Protestant teachings in certain churchs?
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Post by leeside on Jul 8, 2010 20:51:49 GMT
I thought it would be better if I started a new thread rather than ask this question on one of the others where the topic could get lost. Anyway I totally point blank refuse and have in the past refused several times to attend a baptism/first holy communion etc in the catholic church. Does that make me a one eyed extremist bigot or whatever in your opinion? Genuine question BTW. No, it doesn't. Your reasons are based purely on your interpretation of a superstitious belief. |
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Post by leeside on Jul 8, 2010 20:52:50 GMT
No it doesnt Collina, and the funny thing is I know there are genuine priests out there who are absolutley horrified about the abuse scandal and regardless of differing religious opinions it is these priests who are on the same end of the stick as the abusers. There was one priest on good morning Ulster who was also a victim of abuse and he held nothing back when he was talking about fellow clergy right from the bottom to the top, a good and genuine man who was speaking out unlike many. Anyway I will add to my question to Leeside although he hasnt answered it for whatever reason and here is my point. On what I said alone there are those who would accuse me of being a bigot, an extremist who hates everything catholic but when you put it along with the following points it puts a whole new perspective on it. I left my church over its refusal to baptize my son born out of wedlock even though I didint view infant baptizm as a necessary act. I have refused to attend church gatherings where people apparently go to an upstairs prayer room and get saved which I find ludicrous. I now refuse to attend infant baptizm in any Church as I dont believe a child can decide on its beliefs, I am not totally against it as I see it more as a meaningless tradition. I have refused to stand as a God parent in Protestant Churchs because I dont believe in it. So my own beliefs and I am not saved cross both Protestant and catholic churchs, the problem for some is how can they call someone a bigot when they oppose Protestant teachings in certain churchs? I never said that you hate anyone Catholic. Please quote the text that suggests this.................. |
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Post by Wasp on Jul 8, 2010 21:26:04 GMT
Leeside you have accused me of being a one eyed extremist bigot which can include religion. You have IMO mocked my beliefs as have others, even Marcus the athiest now turned devout catholic apologized to me for that. I dont believe I have ever mocked anyone for having any religious viewpoints or none, you say mine is based on a superstitious belief which is fair enough if that is your opinion.
The other point I was trying to make is that when one feels one way about something be it religion or politics through time they may change their opinions, soften their opinions or harden their opinions. That does not make me an extremist because I am a loyalist and I have viewed things differently to you. A while back I would have been right in there getting 'stuck in' in response to your posts but that is the road to nowhere.
You are fully entitled to your opinion and your dislike of me and I will not argue that I am a hypocrite, but when you refer to me as a one eyed extremist bigot then please have the courtesy to back that assumption up.
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Post by leeside on Jul 8, 2010 21:35:26 GMT
You're very quick to talk about Catholicism as being based on 'superstition'. As an agnostic, i like to remind you that Christianity in essence is based on superstition. As are all religions. For a particular branch of Christianity to look down on another for being based on superstition is both hypocritical and laughable in my opinion.
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Post by Wasp on Jul 8, 2010 21:46:21 GMT
You're very quick to talk about Catholicism as being based on 'superstition'. As an agnostic, i like to remind you that Christianity in essence is based on superstition. As are all religions. For a particular branch of Christianity to look down on another for being based on superstition is both hypocritical and laughable in my opinion. And you are entitled to your opinion, for me while I am not saved, I do not live as a Christian should I do have the bible and it is the bible that I trust not the various new rules introduced by man to suit there own ambitions and that goes for all Churchs. You dont believe in the bible, I do and based on the bible the Catholic church carries many false teachings, but other churches do as well. My relationship with the Lord is all that matters to me, not my relationship with any Church and any manmade beliefs they introduce. |
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Post by leeside on Jul 14, 2010 16:09:33 GMT
You're very quick to talk about Catholicism as being based on 'superstition'. As an agnostic, i like to remind you that Christianity in essence is based on superstition. As are all religions. For a particular branch of Christianity to look down on another for being based on superstition is both hypocritical and laughable in my opinion. And you are entitled to your opinion, for me while I am not saved, I do not live as a Christian should I do have the bible and it is the bible that I trust not the various new rules introduced by man to suit there own ambitions and that goes for all Churchs. You dont believe in the bible, I do and based on the bible the Catholic church carries many false teachings, but other churches do as well. My relationship with the Lord is all that matters to me, not my relationship with any Church and any manmade beliefs they introduce.The irony! The entire bible was man made, Wasp. Or should I say... man written. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 14, 2010 17:29:12 GMT
I personally don't attend any of those. I went to a wedding last year and went to the church service, sat at the back and didn't take part in any bowing, praying, kneeling. Sat there. Won't be doing it again for any reason bar my Da's funeral.
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Post by Wasp on Jul 14, 2010 17:42:34 GMT
I personally don't attend any of those. I went to a wedding last year and went to the church service, sat at the back and didn't take part in any bowing, praying, kneeling. Sat there. Won't be doing it again for any reason bar my Da's funeral. Bet it was like spot the Prod Jim lol, when I attend a funeral etc there are usually quite a few like me who take no part in the actual service when it comes to kneeling etc. |
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Post by Wasp on Jul 14, 2010 17:45:41 GMT
Leeside you have your opinions of the Bible I have mine, I believe in mine and I fully believe the Bible is Gods word and it has been protected for centuries, no-one has ever proved it wrong even though it is the most scrutinized book in the world.
I am happy with my thoughts and opinions on the Bible, I am happy that I have overcome numerous times of doubt concerning the Bible but I am not happy with how I lead my life. If you do not believe in the Bible that is your choice and you are entitled to your choice just as I am.
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Post by Jim on Jul 14, 2010 22:55:51 GMT
I personally don't attend any of those. I went to a wedding last year and went to the church service, sat at the back and didn't take part in any bowing, praying, kneeling. Sat there. Won't be doing it again for any reason bar my Da's funeral. Bet it was like spot the Prod Jim lol, when I attend a funeral etc there are usually quite a few like me who take no part in the actual service when it comes to kneeling etc. Well to be honest, I wouldn't have known what to do anyway. I've not taken part in a mass in nearly ten years. |
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Post by leeside on Jul 14, 2010 23:20:13 GMT
What do you mean that no one has proved it wrong? Can you elaborate on what exactly you mean here?
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Post by Wasp on Jul 15, 2010 16:15:24 GMT
What do you mean that no one has proved it wrong? Can you elaborate on what exactly you mean here? I mean what I say, who has ever proved the Bible wrong as in its all rubbish etc. |
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