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[leeside]

Feb 24, 2010 14:25:51 GMT Wasp said:

Fact is WASP, loyalists like yourself complain about republicans not respecting and accommodating the PUL culture

And we have every right to complain.

but after seeing myself on Calton the disgusting infantile raw hatred written about anything concerning Catholics, the Irish or Republicans suggests to me the hatred is certainly a two way thing. Respect works both ways!

You cannot deny that there are also many others on PULSE that did not do as you are saying and complained about those who did. Our problem is the deep suspician, the die hard sectarian bigotry and hatred which was deepened by politicians on bothsides, both moderate and hardline. They thrived on their hatred within their communities, they bullied and contolled their communities but sadly many within these communities supported them. My volunteer work is cross community and all to often it is sad to hear what oneside says about the other, but on the otherhand I have often heard alot of positives. One young republican told me that it is great now because he has plenty of Protestant friends who he hangs out with, whom he goes to stay with them at their houses and more recently has been able to bring them to his area. Wheras before there is no way he could have brought Protestants to his home or area and also the fact he never ever knew any Protestants until he got a job across the city.

I was brought up with catholic friends and I couldnt understand why there were those who had no friends from the otherside which is one of the reasons I joined forums to get a better understanding. I believe in relgious freedom for all and I couldnt care less if you or anyone worshipped a blade of grass, that is your choice. I have been slagged on here about my faith/beliefs, my beliefs have been belittled on here as well and I dont think I ever slagged anyone for their beliefs or tried to belittle them. What I will do is discuss my beliefs, answer any questions put to me and discuss the beliefs of others, and to me that is the way it should be for everyone on here where respect is given to those with beliefs and those who have no beliefs.

I try to put this into my politics and leaving aside heated debate I think you should know that I am open to discussion especially with those that are trying to do the same. I also have enjoyed the debates we have been having and without lowering them to slagging matches hopefully we can build a better understanding of our positions.

Collina and I used to be at loggerheads and I was equally or even more to blame for those moments, but look ar how we normally debate now because I see collina in a different light, the condemning of republican violence means alot and it is the likes of Collina that people from both communities should be talking with while leaving out the extremists who want to keep the fear and mistrust.

And we have every right to complain.

As do the residents.


Interesting to know that you do cross-community work, WASP. I always thought you were the 'blue to the bone' type ;D

just kidding

[Wasp]

Much of my volunteer work is for everyone regardless of faith or race, for long spells I mainly was in republican areas but now it happens to be in mixed or mainly loyalist areas which could easily change. So its not cross communtiy as in getting a Prod and a catholic to sit down and talk, although that has come into it eventually or rather things like that but it is not the reason I am there in the first place if you understand me.

Not sure if I have already said about this before but I was offered quite a good contract a while back but seeing and hearing what I do made me look at things differently. Rather than take the contract and earn good money I offered to do it for free aslong as I could bring some of those I deal with into do the work giving me a chance to train them, and also if they guaranteed some kind of temporary work at least doing anything when the project finished. I prurposely chose people from both communities to make it more of a challenge but also to make it more worthwhile and rewarding.

[leeside]

Fair play to u. I respect that mainly because i don't think i could do it.

[Wasp]

Feb 28, 2010 22:37:38 GMT leeside said:

Fair play to u. I respect that mainly because i don't think i could do it.

You never know, dont think for a minute I am trying to present myself as some kind of great person or anything like it because I am not. This work leaves me at times greatly disturbed because of what I see and hear but one positive outcome makes it alot more bearable to digest the bad things.

I always remember a youngster in a pram/buggy which was absolutley pigging along with its young mother and I presume young father who were equally stinking standing with a few youths arguing about money and drink. The father told the mum to fuck off and hurled all kinds of abuse at her and they were all obviously off there heads the way they were behaving although the mum seemed to be the most sobre of them all. I had to go over and try to reason with them as the police had arrived and in the mayhem I nipped into a shop and got the kid some sweets.

This image has never left my mind and there is hardly a day that passes that I think on how this kid is, is he being looked after, is he being mistreated, hit, underfed, is he scared and defencless etc etc. The list is endless and to know that this and much worse goes on in many many homes terrifies me and deeply disturbs me. So anything I have ever done is minute compared to what needs to be done.