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Post by collina on Feb 13, 2010 14:26:13 GMT
Its peculiar, but I could never see the difference between the apposing paramilitary groups in either principle or actions. Now I'm finding equal difficulty in telling DUP policy and tactics apart from SF policy and tactics. I'm almost convinced that both would settle for an independent Northern Ireland rather that either dilute their power in a United Ireland or the Union.
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Post by Jim on Feb 16, 2010 19:05:25 GMT
Jim while I can in a way understand your points but that doesnt cover those who differ from you. Tell me what bickering have I done to prove who's politics are right?? I dont understand that remark because I think most of the current crop of Unionist politicians are worthless, self seeking shower of shite. Not to long ago Jim your attitude was quite different from now where you acknowledged very little yet brought up allegation after allegation to back any points you made. You are as entitled to that as anyone in the sameway Bilk and I are entitled to view our points just like anyone else. In fairness to Bilk he has made many valid points. This whole forum is full of bickering to be honest, and while you may not like unionist politicians at the minute, you'll probably vote for them, am i right? that includes TUV. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 16, 2010 19:13:44 GMT
Well Bilk that would be great and all if I was actually a shinner. I've never been a member in my life and have vowed to stop voting for the shower of cunts for quite a while. If it eases you're opinions, I vote Green Party. I grew up in the 80s and early 90s, grim times from my perspective but nothing compared to the 70s. Do I want my kids to grow up in similar circumstances? Do I fuck. I want to move on and I tell you what, while you and Wasp are bickering about what god is right and whos politics is right, I'll be living life. No time for secterianist pish anymore lads I'm sorry to tell you. I never said you were a shinner, I know from what you have told me in the past that you are not. All I said was that what you said was "typical shinner speak" But you do the same as the shinners at times drag up a false past to cover the atrocities from your community, I know the things some in my community have done and am ashamed of it. What I have found so hard to drag from even a nationalist, as opposed to a republican, is one ounce of condemnation for what the shinners did in the past and are still in a different way doing. We have moved on, much further than I would have wished, but we have moved on. Short of giving in to a UI and renouncing my Britishness, I don't know what else the unionists can do to prove to you and your ilk that they are moving on. No matter how far we move we still get the old cry "unionists are stuck in the past". The shinners may or may not have laid down their weapons, but they are still fighting the war that was supposed to have ended centuries ago. Now it is a war of stealth and skullduggery, always with the threat, "Do you want to go back to the bad old days"? And by the way I have never criticised anyones choice of church, I am not that good a Christian to have that right. I am critical of the Catholic church when it is called for, like the sex scandals that seem to raise their head on a daily basis. I also criticise the unionists endlessly, I also criticise my own community when it is called for, something nationalists/republicans seem incapable of. (bar a few exceptions) but they are the exception that proves the rule. Its been implied quite a few times that either I'm a shinner, a sinn fein voter or sympathiser. I'm neither, havent voted for Sinn Fein in years. What false past do I bring up? If I think something is false, I dont mention it. I'm quite convinced that what I mention is true, or else I wouldnt bother me arse. Lets put it this way, or at the least, the way I see it is Unionists were brought up to keep their paramilitaries at arms length unless it was a good time to support them. We were not. We were brought up in a community that the IRA was very much part of since we couldnt rely on politicians or the police to do anything properly. Unionists didnt have that problem as much as we did, hence the unwillingless to bad talk Republicans who have helped most nationalists in some way or another over the years in every day life. When we had problems we didnt phone the RUC, we phoned Sinn Fein or some sort of community watch. I dont know how it was in unionist areas but I assume it was quite different. I'm not convinced Unionists are moving on, considering the growing popularity of the TUV who want rid of our parliament unless it suits unionists. I'm sure many of you have moved on, I know a lot of unionists who have, but like our community there are a lot who havent. What exactly is wrong with that threat? DO you want to go back? I bloody dont. People like those in the TUV seem to though. I'm as critical as anyone over the catholic church anyway, I hate it more than the protestants do. |
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Post by Wasp on Feb 16, 2010 21:04:13 GMT
It is from time to time especially with controversial issues but I was addressing your point on bickering to prove whos politics are right.
It is highly likely that I wont vote for any of them. Either I will refuse to vote which is something I feel all Unionists should do or I will vote alliance as a form of protest.
Few months ago I would have said TUV but they too have joined the bandwagon of bickering with other Unionist parties, but they do raise some good points and have been very equal when voicing concerns about decommisioning across ALL the groups here and not just one side. They are also the most outspoken against loyalist paramilitaries. But as things stand there is only a small chance of me voting for them.
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