Obama

[Wasp]

Well to accomodate Collina and his wishes for discussing worldwide matters ;D what's everyones views of Obama and how he has done in his presidency.

[bearhunter]

Sadly, I think both his campaign and him will turn out to be hte triumph of style over substance. The US is in the shit and he hasn't a baldy what to do.

[Bilk]

I love to watch The Obama Saga (the American version of the Forsythe Saga) It appears every morning on Fox news, they run back copies of his speeches before the election, then up to date speeches contradicting just about everything he said leading up to the election. So much so that todaysFox News story was about Obama asking the American public not to watch news channels. Lol is he an idiot or what? The man is lost, personally I don't think he has any idea of what it is he is doing. It appears to me he is running a constant election campaign. Someone needs to take him to the side and tell him "Mister President, the election is over you got elected".

[Jim]

Fox would do that, its a republican/right wing channel. You could do the same with every politician.

I've no real opinion on him but I do like his foreign policy, its much less aggressive than that other eejets, even though he's using a similar policy staff anyway.

His hype overtook him, its understandable why, he's probably one of the most significant american presidents in that sense since Kennedy.

It would take a real genius to get America out of the shit, the country has been going down for years, as they say, every empire falls. The country has been going down since the Soviet Union fell, cant blame Obama for that.

[Bilk]

I don't balme Obamma for anything, after all he won the Nobel peace prize while in the middle of sending thousands more troops to the middle east. Anyone who can square that circle must have something going for him .

[collina]

Feb 5, 2010 19:08:12 GMT Bilk said:

I don't balme Obamma for anything, after all he won the Nobel peace prize while in the middle of sending thousands more troops to the middle east. Anyone who can square that circle must have something going for him .

I thought that was silly myself.

I do think he inherited a horrendous mess from GW Bush. Personally I can see many similarities with Tony Blair, who I think was basically a good man, but a bit of a spoofer.

[Jim]

He's a bit of an eejet like.

[Wasp]

Feb 6, 2010 15:57:18 GMT collina said:

Feb 5, 2010 19:08:12 GMT Bilk said:

I don't balme Obamma for anything, after all he won the Nobel peace prize while in the middle of sending thousands more troops to the middle east. Anyone who can square that circle must have something going for him .

I thought that was silly myself.

I do think he inherited a horrendous mess from GW Bush. Personally I can see many similarities with Tony Blair, who I think was basically a good man, but a bit of a spoofer.

A bit of a spoofer??? Blair was/is a lying bastard, wander if he would hold the same opinions if it was his own son he was sending off to 'war'. Scumbag

[collina]

Feb 6, 2010 20:42:30 GMT Wasp said:

Feb 6, 2010 15:57:18 GMT collina said:

I thought that was silly myself.

I do think he inherited a horrendous mess from GW Bush. Personally I can see many similarities with Tony Blair, who I think was basically a good man, but a bit of a spoofer.

A bit of a spoofer??? Blair was/is a lying bastard, wander if he would hold the same opinions if it was his own son he was sending off to 'war'. Scumbag

But you've just highlighted the qualities of a leader WASP. I completely disagree with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from both the points of view of British soldiers and civilians on the ground. Pity the Prime-minister can't always take the humanitarian point-of-view. British governments have been sending young men off to fight pointless wars for centuries. Have you forgotten the Somme?

[Wasp]

Feb 6, 2010 20:58:55 GMT collina said:

Feb 6, 2010 20:42:30 GMT Wasp said:

A bit of a spoofer??? Blair was/is a lying bastard, wander if he would hold the same opinions if it was his own son he was sending off to 'war'. Scumbag

But you've just highlighted the qualities of a leader WASP. I completely disagree with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from both the points of view of British soldiers and civilians on the ground. Pity the Prime-minister can't always take the humanitarian point-of-view. British governments have been sending young men off to fight pointless wars for centuries. Have you forgotten the Somme?

The Somme and the sacrifice is something I will never ever forget Collina. Could you list these pointless wars that the British have sent young men off to for centuries. Thank God some British prime ministers had at least some backbone

[Bilk]

If the Somme had not hapened and the many battles of the WW2 had not happened the United Ireland so looked for and sought after by republicans would have been a nonentity. Ireleand would have been all one again, but we would have all been speaking German, and God help you if you didn't have blonde hair. Ireland would've been governed by a German goveror and the Irish parliment would have been much the same as all the other conquered nations, a goverment who did as they were told. Yeah they were really senseless battles

[collina]

The Somme did nothing to stem the evils of facist ideology. In fact Hitler rose to power on the back of the way Germans were treated after WWI. I think the poeple who did the fighting and dieing in the trenches were mostly lower class. I like Obama but I don't think that will change under him. A frightening propportion of the US Army is drawn from poor neighbourhoods.

[Bilk]

I'm sorry mate Kaiser Bill may not have been Adolf Hitler, but he had the same asperations. European, if not world domination. Hitler just restarted an old war to try again at what the Kaiser had failed at. Of course the old cry of the treatment of the Germans comes from the persecution brigade, who think the British persecute everybody. This despite the cliche of we "We won the war but they won the peace" The Germans were better off than the British after both the first and second world wars. They started both wars, they and they alone, were responsible for any hardship they may have suffered after them. The Somme while it was a disaster was part of a much wider conflict. And the British Generals didn't make the mistakes they most obviously did because they were British. It was because they were stupid upper class twits. All countries of the world have their stupid upper class twits.

To say that those who died in the wars were working class is correct. But what other country in the world do you know where that is not the case? I would really like to hear about it, not a lot of upper class twits in any country finish up in the firing line during a war. That is not just a British trait it is a fact of life.

[Jim]

Not particularly. WW1 was never started over racial surperiority. The war was certainly an excuse for Germany to rule Europe, but for different reasons. Hitlers idea was far bigger in every way.

I've not studied the Somme extensively, its depressing, but I do know there were better options to take during that battle. I don't like to call it a sacrafice, I prefer the word slaughter. A needless slaughter that so many died in because of bad leadership.