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Post by collina on Sept 27, 2009 17:36:46 GMT
We'r two weeks away from the referendum on the same treaty we rejected last year. Does anyone have a different opinion on the treaty this time around? I vote "Yes"last time. I resent having to vote again. I might not vote this time. I almost hope the thing flops again. my opinion  |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 5, 2009 14:09:21 GMT
I think it is a sad day for the irish people when they voted for this. I think it was unfair that they had to vote for a 2nd time within a year which to me is hardly democratic because would the gov. have stopped until a yes vote was passed?
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Post by Jim on Oct 5, 2009 22:52:52 GMT
I think it is a sad day for the irish people when they voted for this. I think it was unfair that they had to vote for a 2nd time within a year which to me is hardly democratic because would the gov. have stopped until a yes vote was passed? the irish government cant stop, its constituional that they must do a referendum if something comes along like this. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 6, 2009 19:37:33 GMT
I think it is a sad day for the irish people when they voted for this. I think it was unfair that they had to vote for a 2nd time within a year which to me is hardly democratic because would the gov. have stopped until a yes vote was passed? the irish government cant stop, its constituional that they must do a referendum if something comes along like this. So they keep going until they get a yes vote?? I wouldnt want to be part of anything that doesnt accept a valid and fair poll if the government kept on having referendums until they got the answer they wanted. |
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2009 20:11:36 GMT
the irish government cant stop, its constituional that they must do a referendum if something comes along like this. So they keep going until they get a yes vote?? I wouldnt want to be part of anything that doesnt accept a valid and fair poll if the government kept on having referendums until they got the answer they wanted. The EU does, yes. Not the Government. It has to have a referendum. The constitution is higher than the Government, it is the final say. "Every proposal for an amendment of this Constitution shall be initiated in Dáil Éireann as a Bill, and shall upon having been passed or deemed to have been passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas, be submitted by Referendum to the decision of the people in accordance with the law for the time being in force relating to the Referendum." Article 45, 2 www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/static/256.htmThe Lisbon Treaty is a constitutional amendment of article 29 or something. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 6, 2009 22:21:51 GMT
Well then fuck the EU, if they want countires to keep voting over and over agian until they get away then all peoples should vote no, Ireland has made a major mistake on this alone.
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2009 22:54:34 GMT
I dont know where I stand on it. I'm in favour more integrated EU but not particularly this type.
What I don't like about it is they wouldnt take no for an answer; although to be fair, it was extremely close the first time, something like 2% of the vote off a yes, so to say Ireland didnt want it in the first place is a half-lie.
Either way its happening now, the UK dont have the decency to ask us to vote on it because they know it'll be a no vote, and eastern european countries that are yet to ratify it will say yes.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 7, 2009 20:15:36 GMT
I understand now Setanta, I think it was really lousy of the Irish gov. to have a second vote so soon after the first one.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 13, 2009 16:18:40 GMT
Flaming disgusting, is there nothing the courts or other politicians can do?
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Post by Republic on Oct 13, 2009 18:45:39 GMT
I'd say the travel tax will go first. O'Leary has been banging on about that for ages.
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Post by Jim on Oct 13, 2009 20:05:04 GMT
It its lower or abolished than I know where I'm flying into when I go home. wont be Belfasts 2 airports.
£25 for tax and "fuel charges" is a fucking scam.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 14, 2009 14:52:35 GMT
Well setanta I find all that sickening to the stomach, if I was in the mainland I would vote tory and while more right wing with my politics I think any government, party, politicians etc should be kicked into touch going by the abvoe. It sounds like corruption to the core.
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Post by Jim on Oct 14, 2009 17:21:21 GMT
Well setanta I find all that sickening to the stomach, if I was in the mainland I would vote tory and while more right wing with my politics I think any government, party, politicians etc should be kicked into touch going by the abvoe. It sounds like corruption to the core. m'fuckin plums wasp! the tories are no better than labour at this shite thats how labour learnt the trade! i'll be spoiling my ballot if i vote over here and hopefully a lot of other people will spoil theirs too instead of voting for the only other alternative to the 3 main parties; bnp |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 14, 2009 21:28:04 GMT
Jim you cannot blame the current tory party for any mistakes made in the past, secondly I am sure labour just like all political paties need no lessons in ripping people off.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 15, 2009 16:09:34 GMT
WASP, if you remember when Paisley Jnr resigned, I was very suprised and gave him the credit he deserved for keeping his office free from croynism smeers. It set a precedent that will hopefully be continued. But we don't have that precendent in the Dail. We have 30 years of FF lining their pockets. You certainly did |
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