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Post by Wasp on Sept 26, 2008 18:56:57 GMT
No Jim talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, barely 10 people just shows your ignorance.
I think you need to take a good look at your glorious celtic and all their shame week in week out. Tell me are there pink fluffy clouds with yellow elephants in your world of football???
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Post by Jim on Sept 26, 2008 21:49:37 GMT
Doesnt show my ignorance  You've never been with Celtic support have you? I do take a good look at Celtic, I actually go to matches. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 26, 2008 22:31:02 GMT
My oh my Jim you are certainly full of assumptions. I hope BH is on here over the next few days to verify the fact I was to go to celtic park last season with a celtic supporters club. Not that I should have to explain myself to you but I bought lottery tickets off the supporters club without fail everyweek and I even won a few times.
One of the prizes was to goto a celtic game and if I was unable to go to the match then tickets would be given for a different game. I used to hang around with a number of the members of the club and infact I was along with the driver when we went upto pick a certain celtic celebrity from the airport. One of My best mates is in the club.
So try and stop your assuming of things you know nothing about. You really are a know it all and you should rfeally try to come down from your high horse.
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Post by Jim on Sept 26, 2008 22:37:06 GMT
So, did you go? Celtic Park is a wonderful modern stadium.
I'm not a know it all Wasp, all I've said is Celtic and Rangers arent as bad as each other, I believe its ignorant to lump them toghether so easily, nothing is ever that black and white. Both clubs have very different histories and reasons for existing, their fans couldnt be any more different and their football couldnt be any more different most of the time.
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Post by Wasp on Sept 27, 2008 15:40:29 GMT
No I didn't, my finances put an end to that as well as work commitments.
Come on now Jim, just look at your method of debate. I posted about celtic fans and you say and ask 'You've never been with Celtic support have you?'.
Now in reply to your points I could have easily said the same to do with you and rangers. You apply a set of logic and rules for me but you don't apply the same rules and logic for yourself. All to often you have answered points with silly comments like that above to back your arguement when the same points could be made to go against your arguement. Not all N.I is as split up as Belfast you know.
I believe it is ignorant to try and say one is worse than the other, especailly in the face of so much proof. As a loyalist I would love to be able to say celtic fans are the worst because of how so many of them openly support the ira and sing and chant ira songs at games, travelling to and from games, various club functions etc. I know die hard celtic fans who have left local clubs because of the extreme sectarian nature of many at those clubs, I know one man in particular who said he couldn't stomach going to watch celtic play again because of what he sees everyweek from fans especially when his som witnessed it the last time he went, I have witnessed first hand the behaviour and hatred poured out by celtic supporters etc etc. The list of valid points are endless.
But as an adult who has also experienced secarianism amongst rangers fans, who also knows rangers fans who have left clubs and/or will only travel with family orientated clubs where strict rules apply etc I have to be mature enough to accept eachside is as bad as eachother when it comes to the vile sectarian hatred they pour out.
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Post by Jim on Sept 27, 2008 19:54:33 GMT
My method of debate, Wasp this is hardly a debate its a wee spat about football fans. You know how I argue and debate. This is one of those topics that I can never be arsed with but end up talking on anyway, the question of Celtic fans vs Rangers fans is nothing to me as a Celtic fan at the end of the day, I'd rather not be put in the same bracket as Rangers at all! Thats not secterian to say, its not bigotted, its not anything, its football rivalries at its best. Wouldnt want to be put in the same bracket as the red shite down the road either. I don't apply logic for any of your arguments thats for you to make up when you write them, not me. When I start to write silly comments the topic is boring the life out of me. This is boring the life out of me but I keep coming back and reading what you post, so I stick with silly comments that youll hear any fan come out with. I dont know what you mean that NI is not as split as Belfast. whats that got to do with owt? Why is it ignorant? They arent the same people Wasp, Celtic and Rangers fans are very different, they have different attitudes and mentalities to virtually everything apart from Buckfast and the bleedin' weather. Theres nothing similar about them. I've admitted there is secterianism amongst Celtic fans, there is secterianism everywhere in Scotland and Ireland and even parts of England. Its a fact of life so I dont focus on it, my dislike of Rangers is for other reasons not so much to do with secterianism but how they conduct themselves as football fans. Yes I know blah blah vast majority dont do that blah blah, and thats true, they don't, because they don't travel to away games, more hardcore fans will travel anywhere to see their team play, and it seems to me Rangers are much more prone to starting mass trouble in other cities than other teams are, not just Celtic, lets talk about teams from Germany, Italy, England, Spain, France, etc. Rangers are well known for trouble and they're notorious for it, you can believe that or not but thats how it is. Its the same way Galatasaray, Lazio, Roma and a few other teams, their fans dont want to hear that, but it doesnt make it any less true that when those teams come to your city there is likely to be a lot of trouble, or when you go to their city, there is likely to be trouble. Thats why we aren't the same, Wasp, Celtic aren't known for that, we've got a good reputation with other football fans. Ofcourse, you'll quote this and say "bollocks", you're free to do that, but it doesn't make it any less true. You brought up a lot of youtube videos of Celtic fans acting the bollocks, I could find you many more of them in pubs and streets singing and dancing with fans of whatever team theyre playing in the Champions League, I could find you thousands of videos of Chelsea or Utd or even City fans acting the bollocks. Thats always going ot be part of football. too long didnt read; Secterianism is not my gaf with Rangers, can sing UVF and shout Fenian fuckers until they're blue (literally!) in the face. In other news, how about Hull eh |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 28, 2008 10:19:30 GMT
I wouldn't want to be put in the same bracket as the red shite either.  I understand that but can't you be mature enough to accept these facts instead of sticking to what any fan would come out with?? Because of your assumptions to do with me and celtic fans etc. I am trying to say that in many areas people from both traditions happily mix, I have said so many times before that I have a mixed circle of friends and my best friend is a Catholic. He went on holiday with me and my family recently. Who they chant and sing about maybe different but concerning sectarian bigotry they are very very similar. Only difference I can see is that rangers fans don't go to towns that suffered from loyalist terrorists and sing and chant uvf or uda especially when these places were blew to bits by bombs. And celtic fans are no different, I have seen them wreck various places because celtic were beat, wreck places here and in Scotland, I have witnessed their sectarian abuse they dish out to those who they think are a different religion to them and it is all absolutely disgusting and terrifying for those on the receiving end especially the families targeted by the bigoted louts. You can say the same to do with rangers fans so their is no difference between them on things like this. Exactly Jim it only 'seems' to you they do this, I have seen rangers fans travel abroad and enjoy the party atmosphere and I have seen the same to do with celtic. But then there is the otherside where bothsides act and behave different, take Blackburn, London, Newcaslte, Manchester and even pre-season friendlies abroad. Both are as bad as eachother. Bollocks to do with the celtic fans not being known for violence etc. I am gutted, but at the sametime Hull have proved they are not a walkover and fairplay to them for that. Typical arsenal we send on youngsters and win 6-o, then put out our mainteam and get beat. I am going to the utd game so fingers crossed. ;D |
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Post by Jim on Sept 28, 2008 11:43:43 GMT
Its not about maturity Wasp, some other Celtic fans would have raged by now and told you all sorts. I'm still going to defend my team. I've accepted some things you have said, others, I have not. Yes Wasp I know that both traditions happily mix in some places. I also know that some don't, I dont get what you are at here because thats not so much about football as about people, lots of mancunians dont mix during matches and hate each other when they have different shirts on but when they take them off its different, same for the old firm, once a blue or green and white shirt comes on, its about football for me, nothing else. No, Rangers dont need to do that, they do that at home. When Celtic fans wreck somewhere as much as they did in Manchester or Barcelona get back to me, a couple of bell ends throwing bottles isnt a riot. There is a difference, Wasp, Rangers do it more. It doesnt justify anything Celtic fans do, but it doesnt mean they're equal either. Only "seems" to me and every other football fan out there. For fuck sake weeks before they came here the local papers were printing horror stories and telling people to lock away their daughters, Rangers are coming. That reputation doesnt just appear, its built up on. I went on City and United forums that day and the places were flooded with people talking about the Rangers fans going mental and it wasnt even 4pm I even saw a lot of it myself because I had to go about my business that day and went out drinking later in the quietest bar I could find to watch the match, it was unreal and it wasnt because thousands came down as Manchester hosts things like this all the time and is well use to it. Celtic fans arent known for mass violence Every football club is known for violence, Rangers are known for more, with those other clubs I mentioned. No matter how many times you tell me its bollocks, itll never make it any less true. I'll say is, we'll see how Celtic get when they come down here, I'll be out drinking all day, loads of Celts in Manchester already and I know that loads are planning to come down and over from all over England, Scotland and Ireland. And I hope you beat the rags 50-0. |
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Post by earl on Sept 29, 2008 8:59:44 GMT
The arse to beat the scum would help us out! Good to see El Nino back in action.
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Post by Shades40 on Oct 21, 2008 23:44:11 GMT
I predicted 4-0 to the scum, did the tims behave themselves down there Jim?
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Post by Harry on Oct 22, 2008 13:27:27 GMT
I've seen an awful lot of bullshit on this thread.
A quick message to Celtic Fans. Don't use any other set of supporters as a bar to judge you own behaviour. It just paves the way for all sorts.
Rangers fans are worse.....Celtic fans are worse.....i'm sure hitler could of found someone to judge himself against that might of made him look good
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Post by Harry on Oct 22, 2008 14:10:36 GMT
Lovely bunch of Celtic fans on some of those vids. Is that unique to Celtic?? not a chance.
Do we excuse such actions because Rangers fans caused a riot in Manchester?? What has Rangers fans in Manchester got to do with Celtic anywhere else?? Nothing at all.
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Post by Jim on Oct 22, 2008 16:26:37 GMT
Well behaved Shades, I was out all night.
Harry thats all well a good but when your team is compared and thrown in with another almost constantly you cant help but start comparing.
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Post by Harry on Oct 22, 2008 17:15:37 GMT
Thats exactly what i'm saying. What Rangers fans do should bear no reflection on Celtic and vice versa.
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You've never been with Celtic support have you?
