Donore By-Election. Can TUV make an impact?

[Wasp]

TUV is on the way up, very good result for a party a few months old.

[Jim]

the DUP losing will benefit us republicans big time.
UUP = will bow to pressure from westminster to work with us.
TUV = will bow to nothing and then get no votes when westminster direct rule starts introducing heavy penalties for such a stupid decision. Nevermind water tax, you'll be taxed on the air you breathe and the noise you hear.

"TUV" will strengthen nationalist vote into one party and bring about a united ireland when the middle clarsses with no allegiances (or very little) start wanting out of the union to save their bank accounts

Wheras the DUP is a strong match for republican and nationalist parties.

[bearhunter]

Hell of a loss for the DUP since the 2005 local elections when they got 3000 votes. Not looking great for the SDLP either. I'm not sure where it leaves the Unionist parties, though. A protest vote against the DUP? Or the resurgence of the UUP. I can't see it as the emergence of a "new" unionist party though, or at least not a very successful one.

[Wasp]

I think given sometime the TUV will do very well. I think most who voted for the uup done so out of anger at the dupers lies and spin. I could be wrong but that is how I see it.

[Jim]

If the "TUV" last as long as you hope they do, we will have another war in 10 years time. Thats my opinion on the matter.

[Wasp]

Why a war Jim in 10 years time??

[earl]

That will never, ever happen again.

[Wasp]

I will be voting TUV for the fore seeable future as will many others that I know, some of them like myself seldom voted, some usually vote alliance and the rest dupers or the uup.

[Jim]

wasp said:

Why a war Jim in 10 years time??

Because they want to go back to a system that me or any other nationalist aren't part of or welcome in, which will give some support to dissident republicans, who then become mainstream republicans again, and then things get worse from there as you can imagine.

It'll just strenghten our determination of a united Ireland, rather than some what unionists are hoping for, that we would stick with the union when the referendum comes because its easier and have a working government and devolved system. The TUV want to do away with that and by fuck if we are going back to being ruled by upper class english men in suits.

The leadership (lol) of the "TUV" don't want to share power with SF, byt it wont be their lives affected by saying No, it'll be yours and mine, they will get their MP/MLA salaries regardless. And instead, we get cuts to our education, cuts to our health service, cuts to our culture services, cuts to public transporation, cuts to council budgets, cuts to everything untill they say Yes. Which they won't do, because they will be earning their £60k a year regardless.

You've mentioned in most topics about the Irish language, Wasp, that the money should go to those that need it. In honest truth you are right, they should be getting more money. Well lets put it this way, under direct rule, they'll get next to nothing. And whats it all for? Because you're afraid of republicans and still like to deny we have a role to play in this state.

[Wasp]

I do not deny you have a role to play, nor do I deny republican electorate. I have said here and elsewhere that the decision on funding for languages is wrong as it is bad publicity for Unionism. I do not want to deny anyone the right to expressing their aspirations or religious beliefs.

[Jim]

But you do deny our right to Government by not wanting to go into power with the party we voted for overwhelmingly. Its a democratic Government, the "TUV" is working through the democratic system, so they will respect it or disband. Even we republicans copped onto that idea a long time ago.

[Wasp]

Republicans copped onto the idea of a democratic system how long ago??? I deny sinn feins 'right' to government as things currently stand, not a no never stance. Sinn fein denied everyone a democratic society, they denied much of the electorate the right to life never mind government.

[Jim]

Republicans copped onto the democratic system, considering SF are the second largest party in NI, have seen success in the south (lost seats due to how votes are counted under single-transferable-vote but overall votes went up, remember) in comparison with 10 years ago, and are now in Government. I'd call that an achievement in itself even if I was anti-SF.

SF did not deny anyone a democratic society, it didn't exist in NI untill the first GFA Government went up.

[Wasp]

Jim sinn fein did deny democracy to everyone else and you know it, all the other parties went along democratic lines to try and progress but sinn fein held everyone back. Apart from that they denied the right to vote to many many people by there part in the troubles. Sad to see many people up here voting for a party that equates terrorism. Maybe time will tell and sinn fein may break those chains free but I can't see it.

[Jim]

What parties went along democratic lines, Wasp? The DUP didnt do much electorally untill the late 90s, the UUP where at the head of an unchallenged dictatorship for 50 years, the SDLP couldnt get the UUP to work with it, and SF didnt bother with elections because it wouldnt register on British electoral forms as a party. No one went along democratic lines.

The British Government disbanded Stormont because it was a farse and undemocratic. THEN when an agreement was half heartidly reached it was boycotted by virtually everyone but the SDLP and some UUP members. Is that going along democratic lines?

Can't keep blaming SF forever, democracy didnt even exist in this state untill 1998. If the IRA denied the right to vote to many people then so did the UFF and the British army who shot hundreds of potential voters and the RUC who locked away thousands of potential voters.