250k euro grant for Irish orange lodges

[Wasp]

Perhaps you should read the statements and realise that the clear and unmistakable message is that the residents want unconditional talks.
Having conditions defeats the purpose of talks, as Earl already pointed out

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Maybe you should be more up to date with your links, you are way back 5 years clutching at straws. Now here is news from last August (2007).

The Orange Order said earlier in the summer its Portadown Lodge would enter face to face talks with the residents group without pre-conditions - provided there was an agreed mediator.

"In an attempt to help the Parades Commission the order put half a dozen names on the table - including Albert Reynolds and John Major - who we thought may be acceptable to both sides.

"The Commission is putting Mr Reynolds` name forward to the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition and it is for them to say if they agree," said an Orange spokesman.

Darryl Hewitt, the Orange Order district master in Portadown said: "We hope something positive will come out of Wednesday`s meeting."

It was a major step forward when the Orangemen finally agreed to face to face talks - something which has not been achieved in previous years and which the residents` spokesman Breandan Mac Cionnaith has insisted on.

So what is the problem now setanta??

Really? Theses MAPs say different. These maps show the route going smack bang thru a nationalist estate

The garvaghy road is a major road into town that has nationalist areas on both sides of it, so it does not go through a nationalist estate, it goes down the main road and not any road that estates have in them.

Church Hymns amongst other tunes. They didn't just play hymns WASP and you well know it.

Setanta this is blatant lies and YOU KNOW it, the bands are only allowed to play hymns, so stop the propaganda against the order. NO music is played pass the chapel and no music is played at all as the parade goes along the garvaghy road. The parade takes 7 minutes to pass. So stop trying to demonize the order with you lies and spin, try telling hard facts which I have just done. Yet sinn fein and co are still having problems with it.

WASP, lets be clear about what the OO have offered,

The Order is prepared to end its ban on direct talks with representatives of the Catholic residents in return for being allowed to march the flashpoint route.

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You really ought to get up to date with things. So what problems with this do you have now, perhaps you could copy Limavady councillors and search the net to see if you can find anything else.

[Jim]

halflife said:

jim said:

I dont think they should be banned but re-routed yes, I don't see the point in going past a british war memorial with tricolours and marching bands. Why would anyone have any interest in marching past them is what boggles me.

The point is jim that sometims espically in large citys it is unadvoidable to parade pass something that some people would deem offensive for you doing so, I was being flippent about londonderry but the point still stands the walls of londonderry are of huge importance to the unionist community, if we were to put down the same stipulations that sentata is putting down for a orange parade in dublin then no republican parade could be held within those walls

Derry has a very large republican and nationalist population, Dublin doesn't have a very large unionist and loyalist population, infact, they should be hating what the GPO stood for and what happened there. It would be like Republicans wanting to march past Buckingham Palace or the Palace of Westminster, since they represent the British political system and its and sovreignty. The GPO represents to Republicans a sacrafice and rebellion for the Republic.

The walls of Derry are not in an open city center area like O Connell street I find it hard to compare them, different parts of a city completely. Furthermore the areas around O Connell street is full of scumbags that would go out (again) to cause a riot because they've fuck all else to do when they arent dealing drugs or nicking cars.

[bearhunter]

I love this:
"The Orange Order said earlier in the summer its Portadown Lodge would enter face to face talks with the residents group without pre-conditions - provided there was an agreed mediator."

Isn't that in itself a pre-condition? Or am I just unable to appreciate this level of irony?

[Jim]

It would be a pre condition depending on who the mediator is.

[Wasp]

The OO know exactly what that bastard McKenna is like and what he is trying to really do so the call for a mediator is a brilliant and fair idea, especailly when they suggested Albert Reynolds. It shows exactly how the OO is trying to move things along and get this sorted. All they have asked for is a mediator so it is far from having a precondition, McKenna demanded face to face talks, now he has them so I think it is hardly unfair of the OO to request a mediator, infact it is very forward thinking of them especially with whom they suggested to take up the role.

Anything else on the matter or is it only nic picking at the order to find fault rather than the REAL issue?

[Wasp]

I did see that WASP but I also saw this

Funny you ignored seeing it.

The Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition accused the Orange Order of orchestrating a background of mischievous speculation and misleading public comment about the appointment of a mediator.

Of course they are going to say that, anything to try to stop the OO being seen in a good light. Just more delaying tactics.

You didn't look at the Maps did you? Will a photo do?
cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/photos/coarmagh/garvaghy2.htm
Can you see them houses?

Oh I did see the maps, I didn't need to because I have been down that very road several times, how many houses are right beside the road, how many other houses have green areas between their houses and the road? Did you notice that it isn't a wee road in a housing estate? Its a main friggin road with housing areas on either side.

Can you really say that if no restrictions at all were put in place by the Parades Commission that only hymns would be played?

Yes I can. Have you ever been to a Church parade anywhere?? ONLY HYMNS are allowed, so it is not just the Garvaghy road. Stop trying to diflect from the issue and blame them for something that they don't do. Better still goto any OO church parade and hear for yourself.

I don't need to demonise the Order and I don't need to lie about anything. I provide links for every thing I say

No you do not provide links for everything you say, that would be impossible. You don't need to demonize them but you still do. Now try responding to my previous post and what I said.

They have got what they wanted (for over a year now), the OO has repeated that offer ontop of the concessions they have already made and they have even asked for Reynolds to be a mediator which is more than fair on the OO and they should be congratulated on taking such steps or at the very least there steps should be welcomed. So what are the new problems now Setanta because McKenna has got what he wanted but still hasn't moved?

[Wasp]

Please do setanta, I await their response with my rolling eyes and sighs already, with your contacts you could also contact the parades commision to find out what exactly is going on.

[Wasp]

Here are a few more facts on housing in the area.

approx 75% of the houses are between 100 and 600 metres away from the road, only 66 face directly onto the road, it is impossible for most houses in the area to even see the disputed road.

Here is a another pic of the road.



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So what were you saying about the parade going right through a nationalist estate? More hype and propaganda as usual.

[Blue Angel]

Only 66 houses face directly on to the road -sure none at all then hey? :)66 houses seems a fair few to me though.