Post by Wasp on Feb 14, 2008 14:25:37 GMT
This part.
So basically the OO has to meet sinn feins demands to get walking anywhere?? What exactly has problems with residents and the OO in certain areas of N.I got to do with the OO taking part in a march in the republic with no sectarian tunes being played etc and where Catholics and other people from different fsiths were asked to take part and join in??? I think you are just showing your hatred of everything orange which is fair enough but I would rather you just come out and state it instead of trying to use feeble excuses.
What a lot of shite, where is your democracy now? Fellow Irishmen being refused the right to march anywhere in their own country. Would you deny immigrants the right to march even if it was a protest march etc ?So where is the OO in the souths right to march etc?
Garvaghy road is a mian road and does not go right through a republican estate. The houses are way back from the road and you know it. Kilkeel is one place that sinn fein said it was a calculated slap on nationalist faces for rerouting a parade through a loyalist are. And a new route into the bargain at that.
A ploitical party that thinks they are above everyone else where all the low lifes hang onto such as the drunks and druggies, criminals and violent offenders. You can't argue that point because sinn fein attracts the undesireables. Then you have other voters whom the vast majority of supported a violent sectarian 'conflict'.
Absolute bollocks and you know it. Unless of course these things were highlighted by bigoted, sectarian braindead arse holes. Who highlighted market road in Ballymena, statue farce in Limavady, Carnlough etc. Where there is trouble and provocation sinn fein are always close by. Isn't it funny that most areas hijacked by sinn fein are alienated because of sinn fein and people have suffered financially because of sinn fein. Take a certain village outside Ballymena, 100% nationalist and a prosperous area, but then again local people including the local priest told sinn fein they were not wanted or welcome if they were there to stir trouble with their neighbours.
I never said shite only happens because of republicans little chief, both sides play there part, sad thing is sinn fein are right there in the mix of things stirring and craeing tensions, then pretend to be a party that wants equality. Sinn fein in N.I will never win over any Unionists as things stand but you just can't grasp that. Not because they are Catholic or want a U.I but because of what they are, what they done and what they continue to do.
You really are clutching at straws. The fact remains they done a u-turn regardless of any commisions make up and accepted direct talks.
You are unbelievable, still trying to find falt and issues even with the residents group getting exactly what they demanded. Are you going to accept it or not and accept what the commision has said and what the OO has said? You really are showing your intolerance and proving your parties reaching out is a sham.
Next it will be the tea and coffee on offer is the wrong brand. Why don't you grow up and tell your party colleagues to catch themselves on and accept the face to face talks which they demanded over and over again.
Depends how you look at it, but the demand was face to face talks and sinn fein have plenty of conditions attached to various things. Take the OO in the south sinn fein have the condition that fellow members in the north have to meet sinn fein demands before they can walk freely in the south. Good to see your party is gathering junior sinn fein members at OO halls in the south to protest outside.
But not the word of anyone else?? Just shows you still have those very green blinkers on and the type of people that you take the word of before others. Have you not seen McKenna on tv antagonising and constantly provoking? Probably just the OO you saw doing that.
No the bottom line is that sinn fein pretend to demand equality but deny others, they create and maintain tensions and brainwash people into believing these problems in some areas exist when they didn't before sf arrived on the scene. This is the root of the problem. SF in N.I are nothing short of a scetarian, bigoted, provocative and hypocritical party.
So basically the OO has to meet sinn feins demands to get walking anywhere?? What exactly has problems with residents and the OO in certain areas of N.I got to do with the OO taking part in a march in the republic with no sectarian tunes being played etc and where Catholics and other people from different fsiths were asked to take part and join in??? I think you are just showing your hatred of everything orange which is fair enough but I would rather you just come out and state it instead of trying to use feeble excuses.
What a lot of shite, where is your democracy now? Fellow Irishmen being refused the right to march anywhere in their own country. Would you deny immigrants the right to march even if it was a protest march etc ?So where is the OO in the souths right to march etc?
Ehhhhh Garvaghy Road for one!
But I asked you first WASP. So can you name one for me?
But I asked you first WASP. So can you name one for me?
Garvaghy road is a mian road and does not go right through a republican estate. The houses are way back from the road and you know it. Kilkeel is one place that sinn fein said it was a calculated slap on nationalist faces for rerouting a parade through a loyalist are. And a new route into the bargain at that.
Really?
(Q)And who are Sinn Féin?
(A)A Political Party who draw support because of their policies/
(Q)And who are Sinn Féin?
(A)A Political Party who draw support because of their policies/
A ploitical party that thinks they are above everyone else where all the low lifes hang onto such as the drunks and druggies, criminals and violent offenders. You can't argue that point because sinn fein attracts the undesireables. Then you have other voters whom the vast majority of supported a violent sectarian 'conflict'.
We wouldn't be highlighting anything if wasn't brought to us and of concern to people.
Absolute bollocks and you know it. Unless of course these things were highlighted by bigoted, sectarian braindead arse holes. Who highlighted market road in Ballymena, statue farce in Limavady, Carnlough etc. Where there is trouble and provocation sinn fein are always close by. Isn't it funny that most areas hijacked by sinn fein are alienated because of sinn fein and people have suffered financially because of sinn fein. Take a certain village outside Ballymena, 100% nationalist and a prosperous area, but then again local people including the local priest told sinn fein they were not wanted or welcome if they were there to stir trouble with their neighbours.
Ah yeah coz shite only happens when Republicans "provoke" you.
It's up to you who represents you Chief and it's up to you to get your message across.
It's up to you who represents you Chief and it's up to you to get your message across.
I never said shite only happens because of republicans little chief, both sides play there part, sad thing is sinn fein are right there in the mix of things stirring and craeing tensions, then pretend to be a party that wants equality. Sinn fein in N.I will never win over any Unionists as things stand but you just can't grasp that. Not because they are Catholic or want a U.I but because of what they are, what they done and what they continue to do.
this commission ?
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7217234.stm
also please note the use of the word "protesters" instead of residents. That's called propaganda.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7217234.stm
also please note the use of the word "protesters" instead of residents. That's called propaganda.
You really are clutching at straws. The fact remains they done a u-turn regardless of any commisions make up and accepted direct talks.
Is this willingness conditional though?
You are unbelievable, still trying to find falt and issues even with the residents group getting exactly what they demanded. Are you going to accept it or not and accept what the commision has said and what the OO has said? You really are showing your intolerance and proving your parties reaching out is a sham.
Your post didn't mention the reply or the reason, so here it is.
u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=83129&pt=n
But the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition (GRRC) expressed major doubts over the Orangemen`s willingness to talk, claiming Mr Hewitt has still to reply to an earlier correspondence.
The residents said in a statement: "If it is to be expected that GRRC should enter a process of dialogue/mediation in the knowledge that one possible outcome of such a process could be the completion of an Orange march to Drumcree and returning via Garvaghy Road; it is only fair, equitable and just, that Portadown District LOL No.1 should also be expected to enter the same process of dialogue/mediation in the knowledge that an equally possible outcome of any such process could well be no march.
"However, while the Portadown District policy of non-negotiation on parades, routes, and venues remains in place, then it becomes clear that unconditional dialogue remains as far away as it was 12 years ago.
"The present attempts to misrepresent the GRRC position through a process of Orange spin and media manipulation are only designed to disguise the inability of the Orange Order in Portadown to give a straightforward and honest answer to the letter which they received from the GRRC three months ago."
u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=83129&pt=n
But the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition (GRRC) expressed major doubts over the Orangemen`s willingness to talk, claiming Mr Hewitt has still to reply to an earlier correspondence.
The residents said in a statement: "If it is to be expected that GRRC should enter a process of dialogue/mediation in the knowledge that one possible outcome of such a process could be the completion of an Orange march to Drumcree and returning via Garvaghy Road; it is only fair, equitable and just, that Portadown District LOL No.1 should also be expected to enter the same process of dialogue/mediation in the knowledge that an equally possible outcome of any such process could well be no march.
"However, while the Portadown District policy of non-negotiation on parades, routes, and venues remains in place, then it becomes clear that unconditional dialogue remains as far away as it was 12 years ago.
"The present attempts to misrepresent the GRRC position through a process of Orange spin and media manipulation are only designed to disguise the inability of the Orange Order in Portadown to give a straightforward and honest answer to the letter which they received from the GRRC three months ago."
Next it will be the tea and coffee on offer is the wrong brand. Why don't you grow up and tell your party colleagues to catch themselves on and accept the face to face talks which they demanded over and over again.
So unconditional talks weren't on offer WASP.
Depends how you look at it, but the demand was face to face talks and sinn fein have plenty of conditions attached to various things. Take the OO in the south sinn fein have the condition that fellow members in the north have to meet sinn fein demands before they can walk freely in the south. Good to see your party is gathering junior sinn fein members at OO halls in the south to protest outside.
NO, no waffle WASP. I accept the word of "terrorist" McKenna and the Residents Coalition
But not the word of anyone else?? Just shows you still have those very green blinkers on and the type of people that you take the word of before others. Have you not seen McKenna on tv antagonising and constantly provoking? Probably just the OO you saw doing that.
Look the bottom line here is that the OO demands respect and consideration but isn't willing to give the same respect and consideration to people affected by their marches. And that's the root of the problems.
No the bottom line is that sinn fein pretend to demand equality but deny others, they create and maintain tensions and brainwash people into believing these problems in some areas exist when they didn't before sf arrived on the scene. This is the root of the problem. SF in N.I are nothing short of a scetarian, bigoted, provocative and hypocritical party.
