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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 8:51:21 GMT
I'd agree. With their reputation, there's no way there should have been a relaxation of the public drinking laws and there should have been no big screens and that fact should have been broadcasted before so as to prevent stragglers without tickets from coming down.
I'd expect them to act like that in another country, but in their own? Where was the brotherly love for their fellow Britons? Looks like they just confirmed the Scottish stereotype that the English have these days.
Jim, you heard of anything at ground zero?
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 9:01:02 GMT
And 6 lads stabbing 1 fella in the back like cowards is doing the country proud?
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Post by Harry on May 15, 2008 14:18:48 GMT
Fucking disgraceful. Idiots who ruined it for everyone. Looking at it in terms of %. Less than 1% of Rangers fans were involved in this trouble. So i hope that tiny little number of louts realise how their actions have tarnished the image of the other 99% or 100,000 people.
A family member was there and was at the scene where the trouble started. It was a fantastic day with no trouble at all up until around 7 or so. The screen not working was a major hitch and i understand the frustrations but the actions we witnessed cannot be excused.
My family member was back at the hotel not long after 10 because of the trouble. Their day had be ruined like so many others.
Those arrested should be banned from Ibrox, banned from all grounds etc etc. Fucking yobs
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 14:20:29 GMT
sorry to hear about your relations day getting ruined.
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Post by Harry on May 15, 2008 14:26:26 GMT
sorry to hear about your relations day getting ruined. When i spoke to her she sounded well oiled to put it nicely!!!! No doubt they had a skinful all day and would of been back at that time anyway ;D ;D Cheers Pal  |
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Post by Jim on May 15, 2008 15:41:41 GMT
I heard loads and saw a fair amount, I was in a pub quite close to the city center but its packed away by a few streets so it wasnt bulging with Rangers fans, but still plenty of them. As far as I know, at about 4pm the Paramount (wetherspoons) was closed by police after a brawl broke out, my mate walked past it on the way back from the town and he said tables and chairs were everywhere and the windows had been completely smashed, an absolute mess. The big TV screen at either exchange square or picadilly gardens (not sure what one) broke and when an engineer was sent in he was bottled and decided to give up and fuck off, so when buses came around to shuttle them to the next screen they bottled the buses and started rioting, this is at 0-0. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7402858.stm - Video of police being chased away by a crowd of hundreds, and thats only in one street. Right, Rangers fans can say "shame on manchester", but they can fuck off. We've hosted Commonwealth games, we've hosted Champions league finals, we've had fans from all over Europe completely invade the city, we've had celtic fans, barca fans, scousers, both milan fans, all in their tens of thousands and there was no trouble, maybe a fight or two, but overall good things being said after they left. Rangers bring 100,000 and go buck wild. We didn't have to put up big screens, we could have sent out a warning saying not to come, theres nowt here for you, but we didn't. The City council went all out to welcome Rangers fans, and we got dickheads shiting and pissing in our streets, rioting, brawling in pubs and the worst of it - buying out all the beer!!! the town is dry. Would say it was a lot more than 1% Harry. There wasnt any trouble in the bar I was at and a few others close by though which I'm glad because me and my other taigy celtic supporting mate with belfast accents would have been stuck in the middle of it ;D |
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Post by Harry on May 15, 2008 16:47:53 GMT
Why would you say more than 1% Jim?? Estimates are there were 100-120 thousand Rangers fans. So even a thousand fans would only be 1%.
Regardless it doesn't matter. Scumbags that ruined it for the massive majority of fans who enjoyed themselves.
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Post by Jim on May 15, 2008 16:50:13 GMT
It was more than a thousand fans, Manchester is a big city, they were causing trouble from the city center to parts of Salford, Fallowfield and all around Eastlands. Most of it just happened in the center. A lot more went on that has been reported so far. Apparently it was very rough around Piccadilly station and workers just refused to work for the rest of the day.
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 16:52:51 GMT
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Post by Harry on May 15, 2008 17:11:19 GMT
It was more than a thousand fans, Manchester is a big city, they were causing trouble from the city center to parts of Salford, Fallowfield and all around Eastlands. Most of it just happened in the center. A lot more went on that has been reported so far. Apparently it was very rough around Piccadilly station and workers just refused to work for the rest of the day. So how many was there then Jim?? So if there was 10,000 fans rioting which there certainly wasn't it would still then be under 10%. It only takes 10 idiots to be dotted around different parts of the city causing trouble but in terms of the % of the fans it is minimal. My point isn't anything to do with justifying it. Its to do with the fact that at least 99,000 fans went to manchester and enjoyed themselves. A trampy minority ruined it and were bang out of order and nothing can justify it. It is just a shame for the decent RFC fans that behaved that they are being dragged through the mud. Those responsible to be named, shamed, hung out to dry. |
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Post by Jim on May 15, 2008 17:42:28 GMT
It doesn't matter what percentage it was that takes it completely out of context and makes it seem not so bad, my point was there was a significant amount of people and they caused a lot of damage that this city will have to pay for.
It takes a lot more than 10 idiots to create the damage done last night.
I hope a lot of Rangers fans did enjoy themselves, there was a good atmosphere (if you support rangers anyway!) and there was very little violence between zenit fans and rangers fans.
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 19:07:44 GMT
I have been reading that in certain parts of Manchester riot police were deployed before any trouble had taken place. I hear a lot of condemnation from those here who wouldn't call themselves Rangers supporters by any stretch of the imagination. Wouldn't you say that riot police was a little over the top, and could have been partly responsible for the fans reaction? After all when nationalist/republicans were rioting on the streets of Belfast and Derry, they blamed over policing (As in police in riot gear) for most of the trouble. I am not defending in any shape or form the small minority of Rangers fans who were fighting, but was just wondering if you nationalists republicans have had a change of heart on the issue of riot police, pot and kettle springs to mind here. Oh by the way I hope they catch every one of the people who spoiled what was a very proud night for Rangers (well they got to the final didn't they) and throw the book at em.
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Post by Jim on May 15, 2008 19:54:48 GMT
A scottish tory councillor tried to crack the same thing he'll end up retracting the statement if he hasnt done so already after seeing footage.
This isnt Belfast, the English police have very little experience of this shite compared to the RUC/PSNI, especially the GMP where almsot all sporting events hosted by Manchester go off without much bother.. considering we have two premiership clubs and are next door to another two.
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 20:10:04 GMT
A scottish tory councillor tried to crack the same thing he'll end up retracting the statement if he hasnt done so already after seeing footage. This isnt Belfast, the English police have very little experience of this shite compared to the RUC/PSNI, especially the GMP where almsot all sporting events hosted by Manchester go off without much bother.. considering we have two premiership clubs and are next door to another two. He will have to, he's a Scottish tory councilor, I'm not and I'm retracting nothing I have just said. So it's ok to deploy riot police against prods in Manchester, but not against Catholics/nationalists/shinneres in Belfast. This smacks way too much of double standards to me. And do the riot police come out in force at these other events you are talking about in Manchester? So, am I getting this right? The GMP were stupid in deploying riot police in this situation, due to their lack of experience, but the RUC were just bigots who knew better but just did it anyway to annoy the nationalists. Ah I see silly of me not to see and understand that. |
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 20:52:52 GMT
No faces covered in that CCTV. So in the next 6 to 8 months we'll see almost all of them involved getting nicked, week by week. Especially the 20 or so who put the boot into the copper on the ground. bilk it isn't up to us to condemn Rangers but we're intitled to our opinions.. Rangers and the fans are going to pay the price for what happened. The stabbing inside the gorund is enough to get them banned from European Compitition. From what I read the stabbing happened outside the ground. Anyway as to being intitled to an opinion, You are quite right. But I am entitled also to quetion those who were condeming so strongly the antics of some away from the ground who were causing trouble. The same people who have in the past made excuses for others under similar circumstances on other threads here and on LU, and the old TWF. I am entitled to question their motives. |
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