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Post by Wasp on Oct 22, 2007 14:12:15 GMT
Interesting stuff.
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Post by earl on Oct 23, 2007 9:06:38 GMT
I've no doubt that there were many religious/land based incidents occuring in a few parishes around that time. Then a few years later, I've no doubt that many land based scores were settled during the civil war too.
Hi everyone. Back from a 3 month hiatus. Just settling into the new job and finding out what I can get away with! Probably won't be able to post with as great a frequency as before, but hopefully, should be able to visit here a bit more often than of late. The boss is away this week, so I know it'll be relatively quiet!
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Post by Jim on Oct 23, 2007 14:34:43 GMT
Welcome back earl where are you working now?
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Post by earl on Oct 23, 2007 15:48:37 GMT
Welcome back earl where are you working now? Still in the Dublin area. The commute is longer, but still a breeze by average commute times. More work and responsibilities so I probably won't be able to post here like I used to. It's only been three months into this job, but already it feels like a year! |
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Post by sideshow on Oct 24, 2007 6:01:53 GMT
I saw that programme and it was interesting and balanced.It's easy to see how history can become distorted when you watch this.The local historian obviously thinks that the cooneyites had it coming -that they were traitors,liased with british army and police and had a blatent contempt for the local IRA who are clearly his heroes.the young offaly fella who was the author of the book "the IRA in offaly" also seemed to side with the IRA but not to the same extent.The professer and eoghan harris were in no doubt that they were murdered by greedy jealous xenophobic local brigade.
I'd say passions ran high during this time and I know how collective amnesia works and how new "Truths " become fact very quickly when people want them to ,having lived all my life in a tight coosely knit community in west kerry where everyone is related and some uncomfortable truths are modofied to fit the desired conclusion.I can smell this type of thing a mile off having seen it a thousand times here where I live and for this reason i'm inclined to agree with harris and the prof and believe that the pearsons were innocent victims in this case.
I'd be interested in hearing more aboput the 60,000 protestants who were displaced during that period also
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Post by earl on Oct 24, 2007 9:05:51 GMT
I was out at Arcade Fire last night and missed it. Boo!
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Post by Republic on Oct 24, 2007 11:39:35 GMT
It certainly looks like the Pearson brothers were innocent victims. Its a shame that an Irish family was forced to leave their own country and feel unable to ever return. I hope the men involved felt ashamed and guilty for the rest of their lives.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 24, 2007 17:57:27 GMT
No I missed it but it should be repeated and this time I will make sure I see it.
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Post by blueman on Oct 25, 2007 21:01:20 GMT
Well, I don't know a lot about the Cooneyites but what little I do know would suggest that they are not like us big bad Calvinists. They are a harmless Sect which tend to stay out of Politics. That in itself did not save them when the Sectarian IRA came to murder them and burn them out of their home. At long last the Irish people are beginning to realise that their State has a 'hidden' side to it and that their State is Sectarian and has a shameful past. How many more Protestants and Dissenters were butchered and intimidated out of their homes we will never know. The programme certainly emphasised the fact that many Protestants had to 'emigrate' to Australia, Canada and New Zealand. It is also a fact that many thousands of Southern Irish Protestants had to flee to Ulster for sanctuary and refuge. The people in that area are still afraid to speak out to this day so it shows that they still live in fear of violent Republicanism. Until the Irish deal with these thugs who are keeeping Ireland back from being a proper Nation who can warmly embrace those who differ Religiously, Politically and Culturally then I'm afraid they will never move on. It is sad that a few nutters can intimidate an entire Nation to such an extent.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 26, 2007 21:03:54 GMT
um, i will say nothing as i can't of course view the thing here at all- my experience of eoghan is limited to his involement in the adaptions of bernard cornwell's sharpe books which i enjoyed and him presenting a show on the 80th anniversary of 1916 which i remember after all these years with disgust.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on Oct 27, 2007 19:36:04 GMT
I admit when I saw Setanta's promotion of this RTE programme I did wonder if he had lost his marbles. It has always been one of my mantras to always know the political bias of the source. Eoghan Harris was behind many such programmes while at RTE. And Eoghan is known for his ability to re-write the facts and along with others like Ruth D Edwards have been part of a concerted attempt to wipe out and re-write various historical accounts.
On this topic, a letter is in the Irish News today (sat 20th Oct) from Pat Muldowney, historian and author of 'The Pearson Executions'.
You need subscription to get a link and I have the paper beside me at the moment. I will just give the main points as it is a long letter, where he gives off to RTE, the Hidden History team and the Turbridy Show (RTE radio Oct 21st). And claims they deliberately mislead the audience.
He said that the 1921 court martial which found the Pearsons guilty was not the only court to adjudicate on the fate of the Pearsons. Hidden History pretended to forensically examine all the evidence again but omitted all the evidence from the other court - British military court that met in Crinkle Military Barracks, Birr, Co. Offaly in July 2nd 1921. The British court operating independently reach the same conclusions as the Irish court. Pat Muldowney who is a respected authority on this aspect of history was interviewed for the programme but for reasons not know his interview was not used. Pat suspects because in his interview he mentions the other court and this conflicts with the conclusions that this Hidden History team wanted to present. And because of his authority on the subject might more publicly bring the Hidden History's team integrity into question. He concludes with a quote from William Pearson in April 14th 1927, "I assisted the crown forces on every occasion" (he declared he was a collaborator) [that is his add on not mine].
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Post by sideshow on Oct 28, 2007 14:18:57 GMT
Dunno Setanta-maybe you're right and the Republicans are a noble raggle taggle band of poor honest peasents engaged in a david v goliath type struggle against the British tyrants.Ive seen how the republican movement works now and it has honed its skills at propaganda expertly over a long time.why are your crowd ALWAYS right and everyone opposing them always wrong-it seems that there isnt even room for human error in your depiction of the IRA?
Forget about your indymedia and wikipedia and useless statistics for a minute and ask yourself why you think Irish republicans were once so righteous and perfect and above greed and corruption of any sort-how come you cant stand back and say-"you know what?theres a good chance that this may be what happened and maybe My Republican heroes had a human side to them and sometimes this can lead to good peole doing bad things".You defend the IRA 100% and constantly throwing facts and stats around to prove your point-get real.nobody is right all the time and no one side is always the bad guy either.
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Post by Jim on Oct 28, 2007 17:20:15 GMT
sideshow every idealogy thinks its right and everyone else is wrong. libertarians, imperialists, republicans, socialists, loyalists, monarchists, liberals, they all have that mentality.
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Post by sideshow on Oct 28, 2007 20:28:55 GMT
perhaps you did Setanta and I've no doubt you researched the facts no end.But this is my point again -Eoghan Harris has in his own opinion ,also researched the facts.However both sets of facts (his and yours)are just accumulation of stories,excuses ,tainted memories and bitterness not to mention nearly 100 years of chinese whispers,combined with the British official account of what happened(more facts?).The people who established these historical facts were just as prone to being swayed by emotion as those who made the programme for TV.
I ws reared on Republican propaganda from the Christian Brothers to the wind that shakes the barley .For the first time in my life i'm now hearing that the Fight for independence in Ireland was not without dirty tricks and as these stories emerge theres uproar from the Republican corner claiming that all these new revelations are just fabricated by people with agendas who want to re-write history.While this story of the Pearsons may or may not be accurate I'm sure this sort of situation could have easily occured here or in any other country but I think its a sign of the country reaching a milestone in our maturity to at least admit that it was highly possibile.
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Post by sideshow on Oct 28, 2007 20:54:50 GMT
Suits me too hi -seriously though dyou think Harris has an agenda and if so what is it and why dyou think he has become so anti-republican and recently so pro Bertie?,
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