DUP minister attends GAA Match

[earl]

wasp said:

its home stadium being named after the Royal family (or a street after the royal family, whatever it was, same name). GSTQ and the Windsors represent me as much as Ambran na bhFiann and Republicans represent you.

AH Jim Windsor park was built and named in 1905 after the area it was located in and that is ther windsor area. The house of windsor only adopted the name Windsor in 1917. Windsor park is not named after the Windsors so that is another myth destroyed.

That's pretty interesting actually. Maybe Lizzy was a big Linfield supporter!

[Wasp]

earl said:

wasp said:

AH Jim Windsor park was built and named in 1905 after the area it was located in and that is ther windsor area. The house of windsor only adopted the name Windsor in 1917. Windsor park is not named after the Windsors so that is another myth destroyed.

That's pretty interesting actually. Maybe Lizzy was a big Linfield supporter!

;D ;D ;D ;D

[Wasp]

earl said:

WASP, show me one official GAA rule that is anti-Protestant. Then I'll believe you.

The ira targeted and butchered Protestants for decades, they bombed their business, bombed mainly Protestant towns with a few exceptions such as Claudy and the provo priest. The gaa allows the commemoration of the very terrorists who carried out such attacks and cowardly crimes. Now that alone should show you that the gaa in N.I at least is anti-protestant. I do not believe that every supporter/player/member is anti-Protestant but it is infested with republicanism and we all know what republicans did to Protestants now don't we.

It is the same as footballing bodies etc having say everything that promotes Britishness, where membership requires the aim of remaining within the UK ETC. Now that is leaving out a sizeable number within the country as in Catholics. Then say they had cups/tournaments/clubs etc named after the likes of Billy Wright etc, wouldn't you say it was anti-catholic?

[earl]

wasp said:

earl said:

WASP, show me one official GAA rule that is anti-Protestant. Then I'll believe you.

The ira targeted and butchered Protestants for decades, they bombed their business, bombed mainly Protestant towns with a few exceptions such as Claudy and the provo priest. The gaa allows the commemoration of the very terrorists who carried out such attacks and cowardly crimes. Now that alone should show you that the gaa in N.I at least is anti-protestant. I do not believe that every supporter/player/member is anti-Protestant but it is infested with republicanism and we all know what republicans did to Protestants now don't we.

It is the same as footballing bodies etc having say everything that promotes Britishness, where membership requires the aim of remaining within the UK ETC. Now that is leaving out a sizeable number within the country as in Catholics. Then say they had cups/tournaments/clubs etc named after the likes of Billy Wright etc, wouldn't you say it was anti-catholic?

I take it that you can't find a single rule within the GAA that's a detriment to Protestants so. I don't agree with the naming of certain grounds in the north, but they weren't named after people who simply killed Protestants, they were named after people who were perceived by their local community to have died in the cause of Irish nationalism.

[Jim]

wasp said:

its home stadium being named after the Royal family (or a street after the royal family, whatever it was, same name). GSTQ and the Windsors represent me as much as Ambran na bhFiann and Republicans represent you.

AH Jim Windsor park was built and named in 1905 after the area it was located in and that is ther windsor area. The house of windsor only adopted the name Windsor in 1917. Windsor park is not named after the Windsors so that is another myth destroyed.

The name Windsor has been linked with the royal family for longer than theyve actually had the name. You've destroyed no myths, I put forward no myths, its a fact that the ground has the same name as the british royal family, and no nationalist with strong views about the royal family are going to go near a ground that in their mind has the same name as a foreign monarch.

[Wasp]

setanta said:

PLUS as has already been pointed out and accept by Harry, there are pleanty of GAA Players, officals and fans who are Protestant and Grounds named after Protestant Nationalist Heros.
So I'm not wrong. There's your evidence that the GAA isn't anti-Ptotestant.

Bollocks. The gaa in N.Ireland is anti-Protestant. So what you are all saying is that if there is no single rule against a particular religion then it cannot be anti-that religion in one form or another.

So then N.Ireland football club is not anti-Catholic nor are any of the supporters fan clubs, flute bands that promote loyalist culture are not anti-Catholic in anyway, the RUC/UDR were not anti-Catholic, Unionist parties were never anti-Catholic or rather any of there members were etc etc. I will remember that logic from now on.

Earl you can go on all you want about these men fighting for irish nationalism all you want. The FACT remains they were part of an organisation that was sectarian in nature and carried out sectarian cowardly outrages against men, womenand children. Nice people to honour.

Jim to say Windsor park is named after the royal family is a myth. So what you are saying is republican hatred is so deep they cannot even stand a gfootball ground that shares the same name as the royal family. How bigoted and narrow minded is that? So if Unionists had a problem with a ground because it shared the same name as some nationalist EVEN THOUGH it was not named after him etc, what would the old republican bandwagon think then. Maybe its that old rule its ok for us but not for anyone else.

Setanta you never answered what I said about RUC/PSNI officers that I know that are devout nationalists. Infact one of them had a brother lifted several times for suspected ira membership. Oh I just thought that could mean his brother was colluding with the ira.

[Wasp]

Also if there was a grievance at the Brits killing gaa supporters/players/members, then what about ira members who killed gaa members/supporters/players?? Or rather what about the ira? If the British army etc were excluded until 2001, then why not the ira, why commemorate ira members, why allow clubs/fields/tournaments/trophies named after ira members etc etc???

[Jim]

wasp said:

Jim to say Windsor park is named after the royal family is a myth. So what you are saying is republican hatred is so deep they cannot even stand a gfootball ground that shares the same name as the royal family. How bigoted and narrow minded is that? So if Unionists had a problem with a ground because it shared the same name as some nationalist EVEN THOUGH it was not named after him etc, what would the old republican bandwagon think then. Maybe its that old rule its ok for us but not for anyone else.

You're one to talk about hatred that is so deep when it comes to names. Unionists do have problems with grounds with the same name as republicans, so I think I'm quite justified in saying I have a problem with the stadium that northern ireland play with th same name as a foreign royal family, and using GSTQ, then expecting us to support it.

[earl]

wasp said:

Earl you can go on all you want about these men fighting for irish nationalism all you want. The FACT remains they were part of an organisation that was sectarian in nature and carried out sectarian cowardly outrages against men, womenand children. Nice people to honour.

you're so busy standing on your self-made, self righteous pedestal, which you seem to think gives you the God given right to act like an asshole, that you've seemed to have lost the basic ability to read. I stated
"they were named after people who were perceived by their local community to have died in the cause of Irish nationalism."

Now, I'll admit, I did pretty well in secondary school in English, but I'm not exactly using complicated prose here. I'm not saying that those grounds are named after those who died in the cause of Irish nationalism, that's opinion. I clearly stated that they are named after those perceived by whatever local community as nationalist/republican heroes. That's fact.

I've already stated time and time again, that I'm not a fan of such grounds, but you've conveniently forgotten that fact again as it get's in the way of you trying to act like a big swinging dick. Let me tell you sonny, the only thing that you're doing is hitting your own face with that thing, and soon enough, you'll hurt yourself with it, have a hissy fit and run off again.

I'd hate to see you get hurt again son, calm down and start debating rationally instead of like a cheap calton wannabe hardman. The only thing that you are impressing is a validation of a typical Unionist stereotype that your chums like to say was created by the taigs to show the world.
Stubbornness and doggedness are only virtues with a calm and rational mind.

[Harry]

So can we clear something up.....who has a problem with it being called Windsor Park??? The fact it was built on Windsor Avenue doesn't do anything to help??? Obviously Jim you fully understand why WASP takes such offence to the naming of GAA grounds??

[Jim]

harry said:

So can we clear something up.....who has a problem with it being called Windsor Park??? The fact it was built on Windsor Avenue doesn't do anything to help??? Obviously Jim you fully understand why WASP takes such offence to the naming of GAA grounds??

I do understand why he takes offence at it, and I know that Windsor park is around the Windsor area because I've worked along that area, but you know and I know virtually every nationalist/catholic/republican wont know that, to them its about the royal family. So Poots coming out with this lark about naming stadiums being unacceptable (or whatever the shite he said) is a slap in the face.

[Harry]

setanta said:

I've no problem at all with it being called Windsor,.......... I have a problem with what passes for football being played there ;D

Can you explain to WASP that the GAA isn't anti-Protestant

Jesus you have a nerve with that pile of crap you call England B....sorry Republic Of Ireland.....easy mistake ;D ;D

I don't see the GAA being anti-protestant but i understand how this chain of thought comes about. I see it as anti Unionist and the relation can be then made between Unionism and Protestantism. I don't think it is Protestant friendly but in terms of how it is setup it isn't to alienate Prods but by its ethos it actually does. Its to black and white to say it isn't anti protestant and factors only really relevant to Protestants north of the border have to be considered.

[Wasp]

OK WASP, I'll repeat it. Robert Emmett, Wolfe Tone , CS Parnell we're all Protestant and there's clubs in the 6 counties named after them to give 3 examples.
Jack Boothman was a Protestant and President of the GAA.
Sam Maguire was a Protestant and the GAA's most prestigous trophy is named after him

Ok I'll repeat it there have been members of the lvf, uvf, uda who were Catholic so those organisations are not sectarian.

If the organisation was anti-Protestant then why would clubs be named after Protestant, there be a Protestant President and Protestant players?

Let's put it down to anti-Protestant in N.Ireland.

Setanta you never answered what I said about RUC/PSNI officers that I know that are devout nationalists. Infact one of them had a brother lifted several times for suspected ira membership. Oh I just thought that could mean his brother was colluding with the ira.

answered what? You didn't ask anything?

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You said psni gaa players were hardly devout nationalists, I showed different and asked you were they not devout nationalists because they were ruc/psni officers

[Wasp]

you're so busy standing on your self-made, self righteous pedestal, which you seem to think gives you the God given right to act like an asshole, that you've seemed to have lost the basic ability to read. I stated
"they were named after people who were perceived by their local community to have died in the cause of Irish nationalism."

Believe it or not I re-read my post and then noticed your words perceive but I did not fix it or edit it at the time because my mind was elsewhere. So I can only apologize for taking you up wrong, my mistake completely.

Now, I'll admit, I did pretty well in secondary school in English, but I'm not exactly using complicated prose here. I'm not saying that those grounds are named after those who died in the cause of Irish nationalism, that's opinion. I clearly stated that they are named after those perceived by whatever local community as nationalist/republican heroes. That's fact.

I recognize that but find it sickening considering what happened here for over three decades.

I've already stated time and time again, that I'm not a fan of such grounds, but you've conveniently forgotten that fact again as it get's in the way of you trying to act like a big swinging dick.

Oh charming.

Let me tell you sonny, the only thing that you're doing is hitting your own face with that thing, and soon enough, you'll hurt yourself with it, have a hissy fit and run off again.

Ok daddy, when did I have a hissy fit and run off? Yes I was for packing the site in and still might do as I think we are getting nowhere and because of the blatant double standards concerning republicans on many posts. I have been debating with republicans for quite a while now and we are getting nowhere, it is there way or no way. But I will admit even Jim the odd time has surprized me with his views which are not the usual I have seen from republicans (I mean that in a good way).

I'd hate to see you get hurt again son, calm down and start debating rationally instead of like a cheap calton wannabe hardman.

Listen dad I am not that cheap, and I think calton is a great site with a wealth of information. Some I disagree with but in general it is a well run site. I don't expect those with opposite opinions to agree with much of what is said there in the sameway I don't think you would expect those on Calton to agree with what is said by republicans. I think now it is you that needs to come down from your headmasters table and calm down and stop dictating to people.

The only thing that you are impressing is a validation of a typical Unionist stereotype that your chums like to say was created by the taigs to show the world.
Stubbornness and doggedness are only virtues with a calm and rational mind.

My chums? Ok if that is what you call them. So do you think sinn feiners or rather your chums have tried to stereotype Unionists in there strategy?

[Shades40]

I wonder if the Catholic members of the UVF, LVF etc enjoyed blowing Catholics heads off as much as the Protestant members?