McAliskey extradition case

[Jim]

No, and according to every newspaper so far, she wasnt in Germany at the time.

[Wasp]

Pity she wasn't taken out years ago TBH. It wouldn't have been murder just poetic justice.

[Jim]

Are you taking the piss?

[Blue Angel]

I can't believe you actually came out with the above line WASP - It's once again a good thing you are not running the justice system as if you were it would seem to be run along the lines of our old friends 'man in the pubs' methods aided and abetted by information received from the 'dogs on the street' who know everything that's going on.

Who is going to be 'taken her out' (a phrase redolent of bad action movies rather than reality) in this scenario you envisage, the police, the army, loyalist paramilitaries. In what way does espousing such sentiments make your outlook one whit different from the more hardcore members of either the IRA or UVF?

[Harry]

I would of shed no tear if she had of been removed by any of the means described by BA. She is/was a hardcore republican and an enemy of my community. Now we are trying to find peace so i would no longer have the same attitude but i share the sentiment expressed by WASP. Whether she is innocent of this act or not, i don't know but even if found guilty how would it all work under the terms of the good friday agreement?? Would it fall under this or would it bear no influence because of location etc???

[Jim]

There is no evidence to suggest she done it but our resident pacifist is picking and chosing when its okay for someone to be murdered. Honestly Wasp, are you taking the piss?

Seriously.

[Wasp]

No I am not taking the piss, I do not like to see anyone killed or injured especially when you consider the pain the families go through, but she is one person along with her mother that I would shed no tears for. If she was taken out then she would have deserved it for what she was part of. Simple as that.

Germany has said they have evidence to convict her, but a spineless judge is trying IMO to keep inline with the peace process and saving her from what she deserves if she is guilty. Why would Germany keep trying to extradite her if they had no evidence?

BA you said such sentiments make me no different from hardcore ira or uvf, well don't you support much of the ira's campaign and disagreed with some of it? So why are you getting at me for saying what I did?

I stand by what I said.

[Jim]

My arse mate. You cant pick and chose who its okay to kill and who its not okay to kill, if you do your as bad as your enemies.

[Blue Angel]

i am 'getting at you' wasp as you said in the past you condemn the uvf and ira both equally - but your sentiments do not seem to match that attitude.

[Wasp]

Ok let me try and be as clear as I can. I do condemn any of the terrorist groups because they are far from what they try and lead people to believe. They are bullies and cold hearted sectarian hate filled murdering scumbags.

I have never thought that petrol bombing a Catholics home or shooting a Catholic simply because of their religion was a just cause and I totally condemn it. Jusut in the sameway I condemn the ira's sectarian campaign targeting people because of their religion.

If loyalist extremists had done what they said then I would have had a level of sympathy with them if they were targeting those who were targeting our community. There were times when they did but all too often just like most other attacks from any grouping, it was innocents who suffered.

Outside of forums I have been talking with certain loyalists and I have asked them why did they support the actions taken by their organisation, I have asked most if not all the questions that I wanted answers to. I have been asked was I republican in thinking amongst alot of other things so don't think for a minute that I have sat back and cheered them on or anything like it.

IMO the security forces should have played the ira at their own game at least in part and retalliated after every single ira attack by taking out known terrorsits and those who actively assist them. This would have evened things up a bit.

I have said this before if the uvf/uda had targeted legitiamate enemies in defending their cause then I would have had at least some kind of sympathy/support for them. When they attacked McAlliskey's tramp of a mother I never shed any tears, I was disappointed that the trog didn't get what she deserved and that would not have been murder but poetic justice.

Jim you yourself have condemned some ira attacks so why are you having a go at me for 'picking' the ones I would support when you do the exact same?

[Jim]

The RUC didnt need to play their own game with the IRA, the MRF were heavily involved in using paramilitary weapons and uniforms to shoot people and blame it on the IRA or UVF.

I've condemned IRA attacks but I dont make it a secret I supported the IRA, I've always made it clear I think the armed struggle was legitimate, you on the other hand seem to pick and chose when its okay to kill then you would say you dont think anyone should be killed, your giving two different statements.

Fortunately for us, McAliskey (the ma) done more to highlight the civil and human rights injustices in NI than any unionist politician who treated the civil rights movement in a similar way it was handled at Tainamen Square.

I remember you said you were a pacifict and AFD said the exact same things I did, I'd love to see a post by him about "Pity she wasn't taken out years ago TBH. It wouldn't have been murder just poetic justice.".

[Blue Angel]

it illustrates to be quite honestly the deeply flawed roots on which NI was built, we have our own lingering tensions both in the republic and abroad because of the civil war (my family would have been firmly anti-treaty for example) but that's more a matter of historical record than current cause for dislike from either side (well usually anyway).

In any case WASP I can see you have a visceral dislike for both the McAliskeys - I fail to see what Bernadette has done to be labelled a tramp in fairness. I suppose you would have been happy that at the time she and her family were attacked the British army had been continually watching their home but made no move to prevent the attack?

I don't by any means always agree with Bernadette McAliskey's positions but she I have a soft spot for a woman who punched a British politician who contended the soldiers shooting on Bloody Sunday were only doing so in self-defence.

[Wasp]

My oh my I must have hit a raw nerve with some. TBH the more I hear about the republican mindset and the blatant double standards the more hardline I have become, the more defensive and my resolve has strengthened greatly. A year ago I would have had some of my views but not as strong as they presently are.

BTW who caught the loyalist gang who almost succeeded in doing the world a favour by getting rid of this low life? Ah that's right it was the BA but as usual they get accused of not stopping the attack even though they were watching the house. Usual bullshit.

The BA were watching many parts of Belfast for years and were not able to prevent all the attacks that took place.

[Jim]

What are you on about? Are you seriously trying to say you dont have your own double standards. I'm sure us dirty republicans are always trying to wind you up, just more unionist nonesense mate.

You said you were a pacifist then you're fine with the murder of someones mother. And you say we have double standards. I dont even know where to begin with this one.

[Wasp]

We all have double standards, it's humAN NATURE. I don't remember saying I was a pacifist but I do hate violence believe it or not.