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Post by Wasp on Oct 20, 2009 17:29:56 GMT
If McCausland's faith and views opposing Rome are so strong what can be lost by entering a Catholic Church? Well I dont know his exact personal views but perhaps he sees a catholic services as something that is contrary to the bible, insults the Lord and is a place where the art of pagan worship is practiced. Harry should a Unionist and elected representative attend an ira memorial service, say one for the hungerstrikers or those killed in Gilbraltar or Loughgall?? |
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Post by Harry on Oct 20, 2009 20:54:00 GMT
If McCausland's faith and views opposing Rome are so strong what can be lost by entering a Catholic Church? Well I dont know his exact personal views but perhaps he sees a catholic services as something that is contrary to the bible, insults the Lord and is a place where the art of pagan worship is practiced. Harry should a Unionist and elected representative attend an ira memorial service, say one for the hungerstrikers or those killed in Gilbraltar or Loughgall?? WASP, Thats a very silly question to ask me. No |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 20, 2009 21:43:56 GMT
Well I dont know his exact personal views but perhaps he sees a catholic services as something that is contrary to the bible, insults the Lord and is a place where the art of pagan worship is practiced. Harry should a Unionist and elected representative attend an ira memorial service, say one for the hungerstrikers or those killed in Gilbraltar or Loughgall?? WASP, Thats a very silly question to ask me. No It may be a silly question but it took that to point out the silly points that have been made. IF an elected representative should not have to attend an ira memorial to say the hungerstrikers why would an elected rep have to attend any church service that they are opposed to religiously?? |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 20, 2009 22:31:49 GMT
I would like to know exactly what in the way of pagan worship is going on in a Catholic mass, or for matter an Eastern Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy which shares many similarities with it.
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Post by leeside on Oct 20, 2009 22:33:52 GMT
Wonder what the reaction would be if a muslim was made minister for culture in the British government and he/she then came out with the same line about attending christian services. Me thinks he wouldn't last long and the question everyone would be asking would be 'why the fuck, out of all ministerial positions was this person made minister for culture?' However, we are talking about NI and i imagine christian fundamentalists all across the north will be getting hard-ons for this guy.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 20, 2009 22:34:40 GMT
Sadly a possibly accurate analysis
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Post by Harry on Oct 21, 2009 10:50:33 GMT
WASP i can't believe you are comparing IRA memorials to attending a church service. There is no need, its a ridiculous comparision, absoloutely ridiculous.
Fair enough to you if you want to stand by this man and believe he is able to carry out his duties. Just remember to apply the same principles when the shoe is on the other foot.
Cos let me tell you if any elected rep ever said he wouldn't attend a Protestant service i'd go mental. Allowing this to go, allows the door open for others to do likewise in different situations.
Stuff the DUP. If there not making my community look like dinosaurs then they are leading us up to hill to abandon us or they are up SFs arse.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 21, 2009 13:48:50 GMT
Before Vatican II Catholics were not meant to attend Protestant services generally, but even then usually common-sense prevailed where it was felt offence would be given by diplomats or politicans by not doing so. Even Dev who used to send one of his ministers who was Protestant to attend as his representative at many Protestant services but when they were of sufficient importance that his not attending would have caused a diplomatic faux pas he would attend himself.
I will say I find it strange to see IRA memorials compared with Church services. The IRA has absolutely no relevance to the vast majority of Catholics in the world and it seems like the Catholic Church is been viewed through the narrow focus lens that N.Ireland uses at times.
I think any Catholic minister who would refuse to attend a Protestant service based on McCausland's attitude would have to be slated as well. The only caveat I'd make is I wouldn't sit there if someone started on from the pulpit about the Catholic Church been satanic etc, but that kind of behaviour is (thank God) confined to a tiny number of Protestant Churches.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 21, 2009 14:29:04 GMT
My point is people are having one rule for political beliefs and a different rule for religious beliefs.
I dont have to remember anything, look at what I said in my posts, I made it clear the same goes for everyone with religious convictions.
I can fully understand that reaction but it is not one that I would have, religion is much more complex.
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Post by Harry on Oct 21, 2009 14:33:32 GMT
The way i see it. I wouldn't go out of my way to attend a Catholic service but if i had to or it would be decent of me to then i would. I'm just attending out of resepect for something or someone, its not for the catholic church.
He should apply the same principles and if his religion or his beliefs prevent that, then fair enough. Give the job to someone who can.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 21, 2009 15:12:58 GMT
Does his job mean he has to goto a catholic service?? Pretty discriminatory job if it does.
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 21, 2009 15:19:24 GMT
If it is his job to represent all the community yes it does mean exactly that - or else as others have said step down and let someone else do the job.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 21, 2009 15:47:19 GMT
So he has to attend a catholic service as part of his job, now you are entering into a whole new debate here concerning religious discrimination. Belfast is part of N.I and thousands of catholics in belfast supported those who committed suicide by starvation, does this mean he would have to attend a rally in Belfast for those who killed themselves because the majority of catholics took to the streets in support of them??
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 21, 2009 17:07:44 GMT
Apples and Oranges - for myself although as I say I have come round to the view that the IRA/INLA/UVF etc. etc. were all equally destructive terrorist groups whose continued existence is a lamentable failure the hunger strikers cannot be viewed simply as committing suicide. As I said before, the IRA, Hunger Strikers etc. are meaningless to the majority of the world's Catholics - unless you are claiming a majority of Catholics worldwide took to the street in support of Sands and the others. You are trying to equate the Catholic Church with terrorism in a roundabout way.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 21, 2009 18:30:41 GMT
Apples and Oranges - for myself although as I say I have come round to the view that the IRA/INLA/UVF etc. etc. were all equally destructive terrorist groups whose continued existence is a lamentable failure the hunger strikers cannot be viewed simply as committing suicide. As I said before, the IRA, Hunger Strikers etc. are meaningless to the majority of the world's Catholics - unless you are claiming a majority of Catholics worldwide took to the street in support of Sands and the others. You are trying to equate the Catholic Church with terrorism in a roundabout way. BA I do not want to continue with getting into a heated debate with you, but why oh why do you twist my words, why oh why do you avoid many posts I have made or answer them with something that has nothing to do with the question. Please re-read my post and you will clearly see the word Belfast along with the word catholics. Either you are on the booze or you are purposefuly trying to twist what I say to avoid the points I have made. I am fed up with the stance on this forum where it is ok to have extreme political views, justifying the killing and maiming of thousands but its not OK for religious viewpoints that people deem to be hardline or offensive. Equally BA if anyone here got at you for giving a religious viewpoint I would be the first to speak up for you demanding you have the same rights as everyone else to give your viewpoints. Aiden should not have been banned for his opinions. |
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