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Post by earl on Aug 28, 2009 13:15:44 GMT
Fuck SF. they don't represent the people of the ROI. I'd be more worried about psychos like RSF TBH. A decision on when the queen of England will visit will be made by the two governments and it won't have anything to do with SF. SF are a bunch of hypocrites. Bar Setanta, he's a nice guy!  |
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Post by Harry on Aug 28, 2009 13:24:29 GMT
Fuck SF. they don't represent the people of the ROI. I'd be more worried about psychos like RSF TBH. A decision on when the queen of England will visit will be made by the two governments and it won't have anything to do with SF. SF are a bunch of hypocrites. Bar Setanta, he's a nice guy! Well Earl the problem is pal that many Unionist/Loyalists in NI believe that they do. We may be mistaken but to us it feels like SF has mass sympathy in the ROI without any real acknowledgement by the people of ROI what SF and their ilk inflicted on us. |
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Post by earl on Aug 28, 2009 15:00:40 GMT
Mate, you only have to look at how well SF do in the elections. The last local election was a clear indication of where SF are. As you know, local and European elections are usually used to show disapproval of the ruling party, so there are many protest votes, i.e. some people vote for parties they never would in a general election and even with Fianna Fáil's worst approval rating in around 20 years and most people using their vote for protest, SF still didn't gain any ground! Labour got all the swing votes to the left.
NI and it's problems was never a vote winner. It wasn't during the troubles and it sure as hell isn't now.
Show me some evidence which makes you think SF has sympathy down here, and I'll show you how they tanked in the last election.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 28, 2009 20:35:00 GMT
Earl it could also be said while sf dont do well at the ballot box they could have alot more support outside elections etc. Just because people do not vote for sf doesnt necessarily mean some of them have no sympathy/support for them and the ira.
Earl regardless of what you or anyone says, the fact remains the president of the republic has made quite a few official visits to N.Ireland and has done for quite sometime. Yet Her Majesty still has had no invite. Very rude IMHO.
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Post by Jim on Aug 28, 2009 20:50:19 GMT
Earl it could also be said while sf dont do well at the ballot box they could have alot more support outside elections etc. Just because people do not vote for sf doesnt necessarily mean some of them have no sympathy/support for them and the ira. Earl regardless of what you or anyone says, the fact remains the president of the republic has made quite a few official visits to N.Ireland and has done for quite sometime. Yet Her Majesty still has had no invite. Very rude IMHO. At the invitation of the British Government and the Stormont Government. If an invite was sent to the Queen tomorrow it would be rejected. Too dangerous. |
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Post by Jim on Aug 28, 2009 20:50:49 GMT
My problem isn't with the general people of ROI. I keep banging on about SF etc because it is them who will be the strongest opposers of any Monarch visit to Ireland. That is where it is linked to me. They are my problem. Them and their supporters preach about this, that and the other but they aren't to fond on returning the gesture if you know what i mean. SF can oppose until they're blue in the face, theyve no say. |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 28, 2009 22:26:09 GMT
Earl it could also be said while sf dont do well at the ballot box they could have alot more support outside elections etc. Just because people do not vote for sf doesnt necessarily mean some of them have no sympathy/support for them and the ira. Earl regardless of what you or anyone says, the fact remains the president of the republic has made quite a few official visits to N.Ireland and has done for quite sometime. Yet Her Majesty still has had no invite. Very rude IMHO. At the invitation of the British Government and the Stormont Government. If an invite was sent to the Queen tomorrow it would be rejected. Too dangerous. Then after numerous visits by the irish president all future visits should be put on hold until the security is sorted out. Why would it be too dangerous for Her Majesty to visit the republic, she visited N.Ireland during the troubles with the ira setting bombs off everywhere?? |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2009 0:02:13 GMT
At the invitation of the British Government and the Stormont Government. If an invite was sent to the Queen tomorrow it would be rejected. Too dangerous. Then after numerous visits by the irish president all future visits should be put on hold until the security is sorted out. Why would it be too dangerous for Her Majesty to visit the republic, she visited N.Ireland during the troubles with the ira setting bombs off everywhere?? Thats not for you to dictate, thats for Gordon Brown. Because there is a British military presence in Northern Ireland that doesnt exist in the Republic. No doubt it would go without risks, but neither of us know what planning goes into it. |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 30, 2009 20:09:43 GMT
Jim if it is too dangerous then it just shows the mindset who would cause this danger. Heads of state/heads of government throughout the world visit highly dangerous places, so are you saying Ireland is more dangerous than Afghanistan or Iraq. Doesnt say much for the Irish security forces nevermind the Irish people now does it.
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Post by earl on Sept 1, 2009 12:44:00 GMT
Earl regardless of what you or anyone says, the fact remains the president of the republic has made quite a few official visits to N.Ireland and has done for quite sometime. Yet Her Majesty still has had no invite. Very rude IMHO. So you better write a letter to your government and tell them to get the finger out and get organising that visit. And considering you are in the business of calling the deceased cunts, your opinion on manners is not rated nor looked for. |
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Post by Wasp on Sept 1, 2009 16:14:17 GMT
Earl regardless of what you or anyone says, the fact remains the president of the republic has made quite a few official visits to N.Ireland and has done for quite sometime. Yet Her Majesty still has had no invite. Very rude IMHO. So you better write a letter to your government and tell them to get the finger out and get organising that visit. And considering you are in the business of calling the deceased cunts, your opinion on manners is not rated nor looked for. Shouldnt your government be issuing an invite?? Why do they keep talking about stumbling blocks and say they hope a visit is now closer etc??? Oh thats right its the British's fault. On manners have you never called any deceased person a cunt or something similar?? Fact is kennedy was a cunt. |
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Post by Jim on Sept 1, 2009 16:24:05 GMT
No, diplomatic "invites" are done co-operatively.
Biffo sends an invite tomorrow, Brown declines it.
Biffo and Brown talk over an invite, they negotiate a time and place and it goes through.
For all your accusions Wasp you dont seem to know a lot about international relations or how they work.
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Post by Wasp on Sept 1, 2009 16:35:36 GMT
Has an invite been sent?? How long ago was it sent?? Is this how it worked for the Irish president who has made numerous visits??
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Post by Jim on Sept 1, 2009 16:51:48 GMT
I wouldn't know, I'm not in the Labour Party nevermind being high up. I'd assume it hasn't been sent, its pointless until conditions put in place by the British Government have been met.
Yes, this is how it worked for the Irish president. Presidents and Monarchs dont send invites, they recieve them. If Britain and the Republic want the Irish president to visit, they'll sit down and talk. They have done the same for a royal visit. The results were not the same.
Is that good enough for you? Or would you rather Gordon Brown do a handstand for you and have Brian Cowen do cartwheels as the grand entrance for the Queen outside Leinster house? If its that important go picket Westminster or something. The rest of the country have more important matters to be fussing over, like losing jobs. I'd rather our politicians focus on that to be honest.
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Post by Wasp on Sept 1, 2009 17:00:32 GMT
So it was ok for the Irish president to visit, yet its not ok for Her Majsety to visit? Strange that isnt it?? Maybe when the irish president began her visits no invite was sent for Her Majesty to visit the republic, maybe it still hasnt been sent. You would think with 2 governments agreeing on one head of state a good few years back, they would have reached agreement to invite the other head of state?? Something fishy about this and I would say all is not as it seems regarding the info you have posted, more like a veiled mask of intolerance against our Queen.
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